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1873 Seated Dollar - Is It Undergraded?

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Was looking at this coin. Is it undergraded? Looks it to me. Don't know if the pictures are obscuring the surfaces but it doesn't look like it. These are the pics from the seller.

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1873-Seated-Dollar---Is-It-Undergraded?
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These are the pics from the NGC website.

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Beautiful coin. It is very hard to see hairlines on proof coins from photos. They do not show up unless the lighting is at a specific angle, and hairlines are the predominant grading factor for proofs. I can see some lines in the fields, so I'd be hard pressed to give this a 66. I'd say it is likely to be graded correctly.
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The images from this seller make it appear undergraded. There's only five pieces noted as 66DC or 67DC so there's not a lot to compare it to. You really need to see it in-hand to know since images can hide a lot. It could be a $5000 coin and it could be a $50,000 coin if it's really a 67DC. Chances are the true value is low 5 figures but you have to see it or have an expert view it for you.
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Certainly looks PF-67 in the photos but I suspect in-hand under magnification probably has some hairlines that just aren't visible here. Always a challenge grading from photos.
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Wow no actual contribution to this post but gotta say that is a BEAUTIFUL coin!
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I agree. without coin in hand its going to be hard to determine the difference between 65 and 66 on this one. based on what I see I think it should make 66. as for any higher than that, coin in hand is critical. She's a beauty though
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That's for sure!
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I like it at 65 Cameo. Tough coin!
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I agree with slab grade.
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I think that the slab grade is correct so far as the NGC grading system is concerned. The coin has been dipped, and it has some of the very minor cloudiness in the fields that is a reflection of that.

Generally only coins that are 100% original are going to get the PR-66 and higher grades. Not to burst you balloon, but I don't think that this coin would cross to PCGS in the same grade. I think that it would get a PR-64.
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