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I Could Use Some Opinions On This 1788 Mass Cent

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Hello Everyone,

I've always collected coins, but stupidly sold my decent collection off when I was 16 (for gas money... doh!). I didn't restart collecting again until I was in my mid 30's. Once I got the bug again, I was buying anything and everything I could.

I tend to collect lower grade coins due to budget restraints, yet having the yearning to own classic US coinage.

Onto the coin in question. This 1788 MA Cent came up for sale on one of the coin websites I frequent (the names and website has been withheld to protect the innocent). The price range was right for me at the time (probably somewhere around $50).

Upon first viewing it, I remember asking the seller if this was a genuine coin or not. The wear on the obverse just seemed to be something that screamed out to me. The seller told me it was possibly a planchette flaw, and that the coin was genuine.

I purchased the coin, and am quite happy to have an example of this early colonial coinage. Even if this coin does turn out to be a fake, I'll still be okay with it. I think it's still a neat piece to show the kids.

However... I've had this nagging feeling all these years of owning it that it might be a fake. I'd just like to know once and for all. If it's fake, so be it. I'll label the coin flip accordingly. If it's real, then I can stop worrying about it.

So? What do you think? I tried looking for the Ryder type on it, but didn't have much success. The coin is awfully worn, so it's hard to find great markers. I can't even be fully sure whether it's a "With Period after Massachusetts" or "Without Period". I'm thinking it's a Without. I know it's a 1788, but other than that... nothing.

What do you guys think? Genuine? Fake? If real, any feeling on which Ryder type it is?

Thanks!


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I have a couple 1788 Mass cents, but I am no expert on these and am fairly new to colonials. I will defer to the experts....but I will take a shot.

I think it is genuine. I believe it does have a dot after Massachusetts. The bow in relation to the "N" in "COMMON" and based on what I can see with the S's looking like 8's its the Perkins dies. Date position with the 788 looking even and the arrows position to the wing and the leaves to the other wing make me think it is a Ryder C-8.

Maybe someone else will come along and give their thoughts.

Oh...and
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to our funny farm!

I have only a 1773 Virginia HalfPenny, in just about the same shape. Based on the wear, it well could be genuine, most fakes retain/have more details. I too do online auctions, where I got mine, not as many fakes as on eww-boy!
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Welcome to the CCF .....

Looks genuine to me. Although well worn, the planchet is decent, unlike so many colonials.
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Thanks everyone! I appreciate your welcomes, as well as your opinion. A special shout out goes to RK55 for attempting to identify the type. I really appreciate your input. Your answer is about the best I've received so far!

I'd love to get a better example, but as I mentioned, with a limited budget, it keeps my buying range to a limited scale.
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I agree it looks genuine. Also like the grain in the planchet. Enjoy it. Would like to own one too, but they are popular, and prices stay high.
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