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1909 VDB penny, this has been in the family since my Dad was a kid (60 years ago). This coin was his find, found it outta his Dad's pocket change when he was around 10 years old. Anyway, it's hard to see the VDB but it's there, I promise! So anyway I was just taking a look and reorganizing some my albums and I took another glance at the coin and noticed something I nor my Dad ever noticed before.. in the bottom left part of the rim was something going on that kind of looked like a Cud. But since I've never found an actual Cud before or know much about those kind of errors, I have no idea how to diagnose this one. Then I was thinking maybe something was struck through ( because of the indentation right next to it or maybe it was the same piece of die that broke off and folded over onto itself or the coin? Or maybe it's really big die chip, I don't know. I've actually never found a cut or seen one in person so that is why I wanted to post this real fast and see if anybody could put some helpful insight up here for me. Thanks!    |
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Pillar of the Community
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Well, it's not a Cud or die chip because both of those would leave a raised impression on the coin. I can't tell for certain from the picture, but my guess is it could be a folded over lamination? If you can get a closer shot of that area alone, I'll venture a guess as to whether it was folded over before or after the strike. |
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VDB is there, I'd you would have read the description, otherwise your comment is totally off the topic of the question at hand, please only comment useful info. If you really want to see the vdb, you should google it cause they all look the same. Thanks.
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And that last comment was not in reply to Druu. This one is however, and that's really the only thing I can think it is is folded over lamination, but I'll see if I can get a better close up tonight but I don't have my good camera on me right now so the cell phone and magnifying glasses the best thing I got to work with. I'll see what I can do.
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I see the vdb, little hard is corroded/pitted ? or ED?, But its there. Don't know @ lamination, does look like issue, what is under coat rear?
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Bedrock of the Community
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I agree with Druu. The left portion is incuse and the right is raised in the same shape. Looks like a folded over lamination peel.
Edit: I can even see the line where it folds over in the middle.
In Memory of Crazyb0 12-26-1951 to 7-27-2020
In Memory of Tootallious 3-31-1964 to 4-15-2020
In Memory of T-BOP 10-12-1949 to 1-19-2024
Edited by spru
02/21/2017 12:06 am
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Bedrock of the Community
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I had some free time so this is for Mark1959 and anyone else not seeing it (may be helpful?):  Edit: Don't zoom in much because the letters will get lost in the color/texture. In Memory of Crazyb0 12-26-1951 to 7-27-2020
In Memory of Tootallious 3-31-1964 to 4-15-2020
In Memory of T-BOP 10-12-1949 to 1-19-2024
Edited by spru
02/21/2017 03:03 am
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And for anyone that still questions whether or not this coin is a VDB because you cannot see it for whatever reason, I posted one more updated picture of the bottom reverse in mt last post, (very first picture incase you need help on which one to look at :) , and that will hopefully be clear enough for everyone to see, even for those with vision disabilities/impairments/ cataracts/whatever condition(s) they may have! Otherwise you just going to have to take our word on it that it is a real VDB, in circulated condition, and is over 100 years old, and while it may still seem crazy to some, but devices do sometimes wear down on coins, especially old circulated ones like the coin in this post! :( sad.. I know I wish they could all stay as clear and lustrous forever no matter if they hit circulation or not.. maybe one day they will make a coin that can, but until then we gotta deal with whatever we got, right?
Wait, this is suppose to be about the error on the coin in question! Not whether or not its a regular 1909 that was struck with a old VDB die that a lazy mint worker didn't do a good enough job removing the VDB all the way, then just decided it was close enough and threw the half removed VDB die back on to the press until someone caught his lazy mistake.. although that would be cool, and even could techincally be possible, that discussion will have to wait for now or until a new post is made on the subject. This post is meant to help me figure out if this error is a folded over piece of lamination peel (if that's even an actual error type I dunno, but it's the only thing that is making sense (kinda) to me, which is why I asked for others help on this as I'm not super familiar with errors of this type yet! Thanks!
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Slick, I don't think anyone was attacking you. They just stated that the VDB wasn't visible in your first set of pictures. (I didn't see it either.) It's definitely more clear in the second set. My guess is the lamination folded up before the strike. In a separate incident, the coin would have taken a hit to the rim in the same area some time after the strike. Here is a link on some information about folded laminations: http://www.error-ref.com/lamination...fore_strike/ Someone posted a cent last recently that had the same issue. Potbelly or oldjoeclark, maybe? If you can find that post, there is more information included in the member responses. |
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Bedrock of the Community
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Slick - Agree, lamination fold-over and no harm intended. Your second lot of pictures is very well done and clears up some ambiguities.  to the CCF! |
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