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Found this one tonight CRHing. Yes I decided to give it another try. Looks like there could be die break in the loop of the 9. Am I right?    Is it a die break? If not what is it? Thanks...Mont Edited by MontCollector
04/05/2017 12:45 am
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Yep, die break, son call it a "filled 9"... happens in the 6 too. You know, never have seen one in the 0 yet, hmmm...
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Thank you Crazy0  This is only my 2nd die break I have found. The 1st one was an unlisted. This one would be considered an Interior Die Break or IDB...correct? If so Cuds on Coins has no listing for this one either...at least that I can find. Edited by MontCollector
04/05/2017 01:03 am
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Great photos, what are using?
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Great photos, what are using? Thank you OldJoeClark I use a Canon Eos Rebel T3 tethered to my laptop for live view mode. For extreme close-ups I have tube extenders. Desk lamps for lighting. One is a Goose neck Ott light and the other one is as close to white light I could get it on a swinging arm lamp. Quote:
It's a Die Chip :) How big does the chip have to be before it becomes a break? Edited by MontCollector
04/05/2017 01:11 am
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This one would be considered an Interior Die Break or IDB...correct? No, not an IBD. It is just a die chip, very common on the Wheat cents and even those up until we get to the Zinc cent 1982. I forget exactly how coop explains it but a pin inside does break off then the copper (or Zinc) fills the cavity. |
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1mm or below is a die chip, 4 mm is an IDB. In between in the gray area. COC does have their official description on the website.
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COC does have their official description on the website. Thanks for the info CoinCents. I did find CoC's definition page. Never noticed that link before. You are correct they even mention the filled 5's and 9's on LMC's as being common die chips. Wish I had seen that BEFORE I had posted this.  Edited by MontCollector
04/05/2017 01:39 am
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That is how we learn  A lot of times I didn't know where to look or even how to know what to look up (like a die crack compared to a die chip, etc ) and these great people showed me the light  I always enjoy your posts Mont. So you are giving the good Ole Cents a chance again? |
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There is good insight above. As far as IDB and die chips, from what I understand, interior die breaks are usually associated with die cracks in later stages. Your example shows a narrow and weak portion of the die breaking off and causing the "filled number." Those die areas are susceptible to breaking due to small size and high pressure but don't qualify as IDBs. I think the 1mm squared vs. 4mm squared definition is misleading. To me, a break implies something different than a chip no matter how large.  In Memory of Crazyb0 12-26-1951 to 7-27-2020
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4 sq mm is when a chip is big enough to be called a gouge. The posts that form the insides of the sixes, nines, eights, and mintmarks as mentioned is small and susceptible to breaking. That's why they're less frequently seen in the 0's. Nice find MC.  Edited by CoinMasters
04/05/2017 11:30 am
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Thank you all for all the replies. This one went into a 2x2, but I do have one more question to make sure I label it right.
I just figured out this is another one of those years that has LG and SM dates. If I read it right, this one would be a Large date. Correct? The 6 has the longer "Leg" the 0 is fat and the top of the 1 looks to be lower than the top of the 9.
Thanks again...Mont
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Yes, large date  |
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