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1863 IHP Need Variety Help (Cud And Die Cracks)

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 Posted 04/12/2017  10:11 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Rpuckett to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
This is the first of several very different 1863 IHPs that I am looking through. I went to the definitive reference page and it is filled with information, however I am not seeing this coin. The 8 appears to be doubled with remnants inside. Also die cracks on the reverse and a Cud on obverse.
New variety or am I missing it?

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 Posted 04/13/2017  02:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add indian_hoarder to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Cuds and die breaks are due to a die's age / wear at striking, and do not generally strike coins that are then considered a variety.

The variety would be, for example, a repunching of the date. Then, if there are Cuds or die breaks, they can be noted as die state A, B, C and so on to identify these due to age (since the Cuds and breaks would be consistent on every coin struck around that point in the die's life). Varieties can have higher value being struck from an earlier or later die state.

Non-variety coins with just a Cud or break can add some collector value, however. I don't think it would on such a low grade coin.

As far as this coin, the thing you see in the 8 appears to me to be some form of hit or damage, which can be seen on the other digits. Keep hunting!
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Thank you Indian Hoarder for the info. When looking at the variety info page I just assumed they had to be some sort of variety. there is so much to learn! Ive been diving into coins the last six months and I feel as if I only struck the surface of the Coin World. I'll keep hunting.
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Generally speaking, the more rotation there is, the higher the premium. I read on one of the cent sites that the mint tolerated margin of error is 8 degrees of rotation. I don't know that I'd even be able to detect your 2-3 degree variance looking at a coin and not knowing to look for rotated dies.
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