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 Posted 04/13/2008  5:04 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add blcoinnut to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I have a question,I just purchased my first Roman coin and I am trying to I.D. it.

Its a Constantine bronze follis
OBV bust right IMPCFLVALCONSTANTINVSPFAVG
REV is jupiter holding someone else,eagle with a wreath
in its beak,and a B in the right feild. IOVICOSERVATORI
Mint mark is SMK.

I am trying to attribute it and am going threw many web sites
and I have noticed many close matches but they are slightly different,
such as diadem not being exactly the same or the mouth is slightly different and other things of that nature.

Is it common for coins of the same design to be off somewhat?
Maby from mint to mint?

Can anyone tell me if its real or anything about it or the RIC number?
Thanks for the help everyone.


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04/13/2008 5:15 pm
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Hi
You will find many small differences between coins from a particular mint as they identify them only by mint and not by die pairs. There can be many die pairs for a single RIC number. I believe that yours is the one listed below whic his from the Cyzicus mint and is RIC VII 3.e


Constantine I AE Follis. 313-315 AD. IMP C FL VAL CONSTANTINVS PF AVG, laureate head right / IOVI CONSERVATORI, Jupiter standing left, holding Victory on a globe & scepter, eagle at foot left with a wreath in its beak, e to right, SMK in ex.

http://www.wildwinds.com/coins/ric/...ntine/i.html

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quote:
...I have noticed many close matches but they are slightly different,
such as diadem not being exactly the same or the mouth is slightly different and other things of that nature.

Is it common for coins of the same design to be off somewhat?
Maby from mint to mint?

Yep, slight variations in die design are perfectly normal, and "die varieties" like this are not particularly sought after, or even noticed by anyone but archaeologists and specialists in this particular type. It's the broad attributes of the design (which letters are where, what type of headgear and drapery the emperor's wearing, etc) that determine the types.

It's really not surprising that minor variations occurred from die to die. The Romans had no means to transfer or duplicate a design on a die; dies were copied manually, each detail carved by hand, without magnification aids.

A member of the FORVM forum runs this website which contains downloadable excel data files for numerous of the more common late Roman coin series, including the IOVI CONSERVATORI. If I'm reading this database properly, your coin (Constantine, SMK mintmark, B in right field) is RIC VII Cyzicus 3(B), where it's rated as an R1 (common). Here's an example on Wildwinds.

There are eight Greek letters possible in the right field (alpha through to eta). These are the officina numbers; The Cyzicus mint was split into eight branch-workshops, all making coins at the same time. Yours is from Number Two (Beta). All eight officina marks are listed in the same entry in RIC.
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