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Grading Lincoln Cents

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 Posted 04/16/2008  3:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadThad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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Thad you may want to give the tin a little bit of thought in your hardness thoughts.

and also ,individual mints for strike weakness in a series ,as well as die state of the coin in question .

The coin pictured does not appear to me to be from strike weakness, but rather die state and wear .

keep in mind that detail is lost to die state and then more to wear , beginning from an early die state ,wear will have somewhat less of an affect on the grade of a coin to a certian point ,but once the coin has lost enough detail either from die wear and circulation then it will grade accordingly .

only on BU examples above MS-65 does strike quality become a factor ,so on a circulated coin the TPG's do not render a grade based on die state or strike quality ,they mimick each other to closely for consideration .

what has affected the grade on this coin is the collector value ,nothing more nothing less .the TPG bumped it and in MHO 2 grades to achieve the EF grade on this coin ,,it is a true example of market grading .



Tin? The composition is supposed to be 90%Cu and 10%Zn. Did they use tin at some point?

The 1909 dies were fresh, now, of course there's a chance this coin was one of the last few pressed on a particular die....but we have no way of knowing that. To me, by the depth of the devices, the strike appears weak. It seems just a shade shallow on both sides IMO.

One thing for sure....the picture sucks! LOL We can only derive and guess so much with such a picture. LOL The more I look at it the more I agree with Metalman's grade....but I might go VF35.
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First, hi Rick, have not seen you recently and good to hear from you.

Now, out of curiousity, I took a 1909 (worn to almost smooth) a bad 1947, 1963 and 1981, plus a 1989 to represent the modern zinc filled coin and ran a test. I took a fine metal file and took each coin on edge and applied them with a fair amount of pressure and drew them slowly across the file. The file bit into the pre-1982 coins and with enough pressure almost want to dig in and stop. On the 1989, the copper layer was remove immediately and as soon as the file hit the zinc it wanted to skate. I would compare it to the difference in pulling file across wood vs glass. I understand your hardness research, but the file test makes the zinc seem harder. Any thoughts anyone?

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1909-1958 composition

.950 copper .050 tin and zinc

Hi Jim !


interesting results with the file test !
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