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Unidentified Medieval Coin #2 - Pomerania?

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I finally figured out how to copy the photos I took on my smartphone (emailing them didn't work for some reason) - so now I'm posting my second unidentified coin from that bunch!

Based on the type index at the Saurma site, I tentatively identified it as a witten from Pomerania. I wasn't able to find this particular type (with the griffin to right) anywhere, however, and I have no idea what the Q is doing there either.

Unidentified-Medieval-Coin-#2---Pomerania?
Unidentified-Medieval-Coin-#2---Pomerania?

Griffin to right, legend around/short cross, legend around. 14 mm diameter.
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Perhaps an AE quartaro of Genova?
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Perhaps an AE quartaro of Genova?
I'll have to check that out! There was a Genovese coin in the bunch (a denaro minuto, I think), so if the design is any similar, it's a definite possibility.

The assorted Saurma pictures of Pomeranian wittens looked similar enough that I was pretty sure it was that, but the griffins on them always faced left (though what I could find online suggested that Pomeranian coins with right-facing griffins did exist), and none of the legends matched (especially that very obvious Q just right of the griffin).
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For comparison:

Unidentified-Medieval-Coin-#2---Pomerania?
Republic of Genoa, 1139 - 1339
For info see: http://www.forumancientcoins.com/ca...g=54347&fld=http://www.forumancientcoins.com/Coins2/

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Yes, that's it! I even found the Numista entry (though it has a typo in the reverse legend description).

...If I thought to search for "gryphon" instead of "griffin" I would have found it immediately.

(Actually, the "denaro minuto" might well also be a quartaro, type 1 - the design and size matches; I'm not sure if there's enough detail to be sure either way, but I'll try to take a pic anyway.
EDIT: in fact the Numista denaro minuto I was thinking of appears to be a mislabeled type 1 quartaro! My example isn't quite exactly the same type, however.)
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