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Valued Member
Canada
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Hi all, I recently acquired my first George III non-cartwheel copper penny (copper is a new phase of my collecting) and I am curious about the rim. It is not flat but concave, a bit like a bicycle wheel rim. It's this first time I've seen this and I can't find any reference to this online. For how many years was this type minted? Thanks for comments.   *** Edited by Staff to clarify topic title. Titles are important! *** |
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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i also don't see that edge referenced online. (Doesn't mean it can't be...) The half penny, however, does have a variety mentioned with such an edge. Could you be mistaking a 1/2 for a penny?
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Valued Member
 Canada
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It's a penny based on diameter, 34 mm.
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United Kingdom
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You mention a very interesting point - up to now I had never really thought about the edges on these issues (third & fourth GIII copper, 1799 and 1806/7 respectively) they have just always been 'like that'. Now that you have raised it I notice that, remarkably, Spink doesn't refer to the edges either. I have gone to my trusty Peck that despite its comprehensive coverage, I find very tedious to work through and there - low and behold, the edges for these (currency) issues are described as "grained and deep-grooved". From what I have quickly concluded (since I must get off to work and so I may have made a mistake) these edges were on 1799 halfpennies and farthings (the GIII third issue) and on the 1806/7 penny, halfpenny and farthing (the GIII fourth issue). There were other pattern issues that did have different edges as well as the groovy ones but for general currency of the third and fourth issues, these had the very distinctive, patterned groove.
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07/06/2017 03:32 am
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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Hibernianscribe is quite correct this edge is normal for a penny of 1806.
BMC 1343 - no incuse hair curl at tie knot which is less common than the incuse curl variety. Very acceptable condition too. I'd grade it at near UK EF and suggest a value of £70-£90 providing the reverse is in the same condition.
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Valued Member
Canada
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Thanks for the valuable information, hibernianscribe and Hogarth, this is fascinating. I've since found lots of online information for the Hibernia penny (1805) that has a milled engrailed edge (learned a new word there!). Pic of reverse (quickly shot with iPhone before leaving for work):  |
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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The reverse is ok too, but I'd do something about that minor verdigris around the rim if I were you.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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That should clean up with the right stuff fairly easily. Nice coin to preserve.
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Valued Member
Canada
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Hogarth - a search for remedies for verdigris has left me reeling; I've come to the conclusion that the two best options are (a) Q-tip and water, and (b) VerdiCare. Not sure how effective the first is.
Thoughts?
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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Its not too serious and is only on the rims. I'd immerse the coin in olive oil for a few weeks, making sure its completely below the surface and flipping it over once each week. After this time give the affected areas a wipe with a cotton bud and remove any oil still on the coin with warm water then pat dry (don't rub) or just let it dry naturally in the air.
It should look much better.
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07/06/2017 12:53 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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@Hogarth suggestion-
Water is a bad rinse to end off with. Maybe it is different in the UK, but there are too many chemicals in water in US, I assume Canada as well.
Either use distilled water, or pure acetone.
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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You're quite right, I should have specified distilled water (or, as you say, acetone).
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United States
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acetone should get the job done, the pure stuff, not scented for nail polish. VerdiCare will absolutely work, and is what I use for this type of issue. It does look light so shouldn't be a problem. You can try water, but as others said, don't soak it in tap water due to the chemical additives. VerdiCare would remove this fairly quickly I would wager.
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Valued Member
Canada
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Thanks for all the great advice, folks.
I've read on this and other forums that acetone doesn't work on verdigris, so I'll get myself a small bottle of VC.
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