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Bashlow 1861 2nd Restrike Question

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 Posted 04/29/2008  4:22 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add magusxxx to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I was really happy to buy this at my local coin store today. Here's the info I found on it.

http://www.rebelstatescurrency.com/bashlow.html

It's actually nice and shiny compared to the photos. (I didn't want to take it out of the holder.) My question is this, how do I tell which one I have? Since I paid $15 for it I thought it was steel. But now that I look at the choices I'm thinking it's silver.

Any ideas?

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 Posted 04/29/2008  5:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add desertgem to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

It looks like silver to me. I have 2 of the bronze and one that I am not sure if bronze or the goldine, as I have not seen of the latter, and have no info on wts. or densities so hard to tell. There seemed to be 2 different thicknesses of the bronze, a thick planchet and a thinner one. You got a good deal.

Jim

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 Posted 04/29/2008  6:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KurtS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very interesting...is this a restrike from the broken dies?
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 Posted 04/30/2008  01:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add magusxxx to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yep, from 1961.
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Hi Kurt,

Actually it is a restrike from canceled ( chiseled) dies. The story is here among other places
http://www.confederatequarter.com/cent.html

Magusxxx,
Here are 2 of my Bashlow restrikes, one in bronze and I think the other is goldine. I have another bronze one, but couldn't find it right away. Also here is another fun piece. Made I believe in 1955 ( notice it has the 1861) date whereas the souvenir coins sold/selling recently has the 1862 date.The rev has 1/100 rather than 1 cent.

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Thanks for showing the silver one.

Jim
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 Posted 04/30/2008  09:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add amac44 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am glad to see someone also has one. here more info on the coin. I found it in my father in laws coins after he had pass. the 1st picture is the card it was attached to in a plastic holder I removed it so it would not get damaged buy the plastic.
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 Posted 04/30/2008  10:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biokemist6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
amac44,
your coin is not a restrike from the original defaced dies, it is only a souvenier reproduction. Yours is vastly different from the restrike posted by magusxxx.

magusxxx,
your shops doesn't have any more of those do they?
I would say you got a good deal for $15 especially with a mintage of 5000. If definitely has alot of history behind it since it was minted with the actual Confederate dies. Only a few of the originals exist and the first restrikes are rare as well so yours is the closest most people can ever come to owning a "real" Confederate coin(other than a few 1861-O SL half dollar varieties but that was still a US design)
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I think this was the only one he had, but I'll check next week. I'd like to get one of each metal as long as it's this affordable. I especially like the gold toning around the edge. It really gives the coin character. And the fact that it came in its own Capital holder was another plus.
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 Posted 04/30/2008  6:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add desertgem to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

This seller on ebay has a 'copy' of the confederate cent # 150242238783 . Says it is made from the same dies as the original cent in 1861, when we know that the original dies were defaced and didn't have "copy" on the reverse. Also says "A great addition to any early US type set." but I have never seen it listed as a US "type". Maybe if the South had won.

Now that we know some more of the history, we can be looking for originals :) I would like to see one of the fiber, gold, and platinum ones. It must have been difficult to do the platinum with the damaged dies.

Jim
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 Posted 05/01/2008  2:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The Bashlow restrikes were not done with the original Confederate dies either. Bashlow made a set of transfer dies from the original dies and used those rather than risk the originals. The original dies ha already cracked and had been defaced. Chances of them surviving striking thousands of restrikes was not likely so the transfers were made.
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quote:
The Bashlow restrikes were not done with the original Confederate dies either

Yep, you are correct Conder, I guess I shouldn't have spoken so generally. It would have been more correct to say that the posted example was minted from dies that were faithful reproductions of the original Confederate dies whereas amac's coin was minted from totally unrelated dies with drastic differences in detail
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 Posted 05/01/2008  9:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nobble to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wow I love the history behind all these. I would love one of them. As it is I'm going to have to look it up and get the full story behind them.
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Hi,
Well I finally found my 4th cent( 3rd from right). It appears more like copper than other 2 Baslow restrikes I showed earlier and is a thinner ( cent like)planchet. It also appears to be some what circulated or rubbed on high points. I can get weights and measurements if anyone is interested. Fun!

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 Posted 05/04/2008  11:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add One Red Cent to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have a copper copy of the restrike Confederate cent. It's a fully brilliant high grade unc. I would say. Perhaps MS 65 or so. I bought it in the early to mid 1980's, and I think I paid a whole lot for it, something like $35. Like almost all of my coins, it's in a bank safe deposit box far from home, but if I remember correctly, it has a very thick planchet with razor sharp rims.
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Nobble, if you want the full story behind them try here

http://www.lulu.com/browse/search.p...tSearch.y=17

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 Posted 05/05/2008  12:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add desertgem to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Conder, thanks for the reference, I have put it on my list.

Jim
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