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Pillar of the Community
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Edited by Sap
05/04/2008 10:59 pm
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Pillar of the Community
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Just out of interest can anyone translate any of the Siamese?
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Pillar of the Community
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The first one brings back memories. I found one of these as a kid, but it was lost in a burglary. From what I remember, it's hard to determine grade as they were poorly struck.
From what I've read in Krause, there are two versions of the 5 Hao coin. One has the value incuse in the reverse star; the other (scarcer) version has this in relief. Of course, Krause is known to be wrong at times...
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05/04/2008 3:16 pm
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Ops! Looks like a flaw in my knowledge there... sshhh ;)
Thanks for the info... you seem to be right on the difference in value, this one is clearly incuse too..
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Pillar of the Community
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I don't think Siamese is a language, and if it were, it would be spoken and written by people in Thailand (one of my wife's students from Thailand gave me some coins which are sitting on my desk waiting for me to translate the dates). Your coins are from VietNam, where the language is Vietnamese. As for translating, ummmm I can translate the part that says Dong, it means Dong and the part that says Vietnam means Vietnam, otherwise.....nope, can't translate it.
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That's one of the best condition 5 hao (KM# 2.1) I've seen; they're normally much worse than that; mine sure is.  "Cong Hoa" means "Republic" and appears on all Vietnamese coins. "Da Chu" means "Democratic" and appears only on North Vietnamese coins. "Ngan Hang" means "Bank" and appears on coins issued for the South after the Communist takeover but before formal reunification, as well as the brass 10 dong FAO coin issued for the South; the rest of the text on that coin presumably translates to "grow more food" or some similar slogan. Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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If that's the best condition one you've seen, would it make a VF? - I'd be amazed... :P So 'cong hoa' is Republic - but you hear 'the Viet Cong' used without the 'hoa' - is it 'hoa' for 'of the people'? i.e. people's republic...? All I can get from Wikipedia on the word hoa is that the hoa are a Chinese minority living in Vietnam! It looks like I'd have to learn the language to understand it all.. Viet Cong is Vietnamese for "Vietnamese Communism"... Cong hoa = Communist Republic?  Edited by NumisMattyUk
05/05/2008 04:52 am
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According to this page of a Vietnamese-Chinese-English dictionary, there are (conveniently) several different Vietnamese words written "cong": one means "public, of the people", Another meaning is "work, labour" - both of which lead to "Communist". These two words are pronounced the same and written the same in the modern Vietnamese alphabet, but use different characters in the now-obsolete traditional Chinese-based alphabet. The third, meaning "all together, total, share" leads to "Republic", and is written and pronounced differently. "Hoa" also has several words and meanings; the one used in "Republic" means "harmony, peace, peaceful, calm". Thus "Cong Hoa" literally means "Everyone together in harmony" - a sentiment both North and South would have wished to express. Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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Excellent info again Sap! :)
I was thinking, "People's Republic", like that of China, the typically pithy term used for
all Communist states.
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NumisMattyUK, if the Siamese coins you refer to have Thai script,(Thailand being formerly known as Siam), I can translate the words and numerals for you if you'd like.  |
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