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I feel like a "trespasser" over here in the modern coin forums, but I have a small lot of Wheat Cents coming in from the South of England in a week to 10 days and I'm really thinking about joining NGC or PCGS to take advantage of the initial free submissions. At the present, I have about 40 pounds of raw coins. I only own one slabbed coin, and I bought it because it was a recognized variety, and was not attributed on the holder. Besides that coin, everything I have is raw. Surely that's "too much information" ... but I'm wondering if I should consider one of the 1921-P Cents in these pics for grading by a TPG. I like the wood grain one, but a lot of folks would consider it unattractive. I just gave away a Whitman blue book page of wheats to a buyer of some IHPs .. and there were two 1921-P wood grain wheat cents in well circulated condition, so I kind of get the impression that it wasn't real uncommon in '21'. 1918 is another year for streaky Wheaties. Enough of my babbling ... Any opinions as to "grade" of either or both ... or whether or not I should consider submitting one of them? These are the sellers images, and the coins just left the ground at Heathrow, so they're the best I give you to work with for now. These coins are "gunky" straight out of the dresser drawer. They're as natural and un-messed with as probably any I've encountered. Chance   |
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Chance, I like em both. Complimentary alloy toning is what I would call them. The one on the right may deserve a coffin, may get above a MS64 RB. I'm afraid the woodie would get an ED bad mark, not because of the woodie toning, the look about the vest, may just be pix but looks rough, like a pitting going on. Need to get in hand to really see tho. The strikes seem solid, unusual for that year, so many weak reverses were starting to show up. As to woodies, a lot in the teens and early twenties for sure.
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It almost seems that while the "off" alloy strikes up better, especially the obverse, the metal may be more susceptible to ED. I see what you're talking about though, especially at his shoulder and along the Lapel. That might be digital horseplay though, or crud that comes off in acetone. I'll do no more than that to these though and only if they're sticky. I have a few SLQs that were in a friend's childhood collection, and they stick together in the tube. They need a bath, but I like the look of those, and am afraid that a bath, no matter how harmless, would take away some of their "charm".
I bought an 1843 Seated half that looked as though there was a pretty good hit in the shield on the obverse. The coin arrived, and it was never there. It looked like a gash, but at the price I could live with it. Its still in my 7070. The guys at the seated coin collectors site said it'd probably garner a 61 or 62. I paid considerably less for it back then, maybe 5 yrs ago.
Chance
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Just remember tho, if a coin has an ED problem such as a foreign substance, etc., it may fail at the onset of submission, returned as damaged unless you pay the conservation fee...they get ya comin' & goin'! Then, will all the fees and "extras" really be offset on resale? A 1921 is considered more a "common" date in any condition, if those were the 21S in that shape, woo-hoo! I still wouldn't kick them out of my bed...you're 100% right on seller "pix" surprises tho, both ways! Guess that's chances we're willing to take.
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The second obverse is quite nice, but overall I can't see either of them in an MS holder.
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I know that one of them is going in my Wayte Raymond "The American Coin Album" .. long format. It houses small cents from 1857 to 1973, and I only need a dozen dates ... the rare ones, of course. My 21-P is probably in F-15 or so, so either of those is a "move up". I may never get the 1909 S VDB or 14-D and 31-S ... but I did pick up a 1909-S LWC in quite respectable shape in a lot I got on ebay ... in a "Snoopy" themed Whitman style folder. There were maybe 30 coins in the collection, incuding the aforementioned 09-S, and this 1866 Indian Head. I ended up with maybe 10 dollars in each coin. But ... at this rate, I'll die before I complete the set(s) Chance   Edited by Chancellor Sutler
10/13/2017 4:16 pm
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They are nice coins, but I don't believe either of them are submission worthy. Hopefully I'm wrong if you do.
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Yeah ... it might be a waste of a submission when I have stuff like an uncirculated 1829 Half Dime, an 1880 Shield nickel ...lots of better choices for my initial "splash". The problem with submitting those coins ... is that they won't fit in my Dansco 7070 anymore. I'm trying to assemble a really respectable type set, not just fill the book with any old thing just to say I did it. I appreciate your input. Chance |
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If you are trying to build a really respectable type set, then don't limit yourself to the Dansco 7070 album, or any album for that matter.
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The 7070 is a good place to start, but it's far from being complete, even if you discounted the earlier issues. Eventually I'll have to change storage for the set, but it will likely be in a mahogany cabinet rather than in styrene tombs. The wealthiest collectors stored their coins in mahogany cabinets because it gave off the least tannic acid (and other acidic) fumes that had an adverse effect on the coins. Its that environment that's created the best coloration of earlier coins ... not sulphur emitting cardboard slots covered with acetate.
I can afford "adding forward" to my type set easier than I can afford the 1700s stuff....for now.
Chance
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10/13/2017 6:42 pm
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The pictures are too poor for an accurate grade. The coins appear to be between AU and MS-63 at best. Neither would be worth slabbing IMO.
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