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1990-P Cent, Wavysteps

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 Posted 05/10/2008  9:09 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Duckhawk to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I think this is a DDR, as the steps look just like the coin on Coppercoins site, although I am not able to ID all of the markers.
Please let me know what you think.

Thanks

Mike

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 Posted 05/11/2008  12:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add foundinrolls to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi ,
They look like wavysteps to me. It is believed, by some to be a form of die doubling. If you can edit your title to this thread to include wavysteps, you will likely catch Chuck's attention as well as BJ's attention. They can also confirm this.

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Bill
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 Posted 05/11/2008  08:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wavysteps to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, it is a wavy step die and while some do consider this a doubled die, others, like myself consider it to be a new form of die variety. This is a design extension, caused by the die dragging across the hub face at the end of hubbing. A doubled die is a shift between the relative positions of the die and the hub during hubbing which cause a secondary image to be produced. While both actions, design extension (wavy steps and trails) and design duplication are similar, there is enough difference between the two to have a separate category.

BJ Neff
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Wow BJ. Great answer. That was really interesting! So does this mean the mint went to the single squeeze process and expected to eliminate double dies but instead didn't eliminate them and also created a new type of error?
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Thank you BJ. for the explanation. I found a study which identified quite a few dies with this design extension, found over several years. Are these coins considered common?

Thank you

Mike
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Actually the MINT never said that it would eliminate the doubled die. The MINT in its 1986 statement said it would "avoid the possibility of hub doubling (doubled die) errors caused by misalignment of the second hubbing".

However, that did not happen and we do have a bunch of doubled dies. And yes, it did seem to create this new form of die anomaly.

Is it common occurrence? I am zeroing in on 600 known dies that have been affected with trails (wavy steps) with a starting date of 1982, which is the earliest known trail die. If we take into account all the working dies that were made during those years (1 million?), the percentage of dies affected is very low and comparable (or even lower) to the amount of doubled dies being produced by the single squeeze hubbing process.

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