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Just In: 1858 10c Blundered I Now Recognized By PCGS

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I could never understand why this was ever called a "blundered I". To me, it was always an initial alignment mark for the dies to correctly orient them when making them ... the alignment mark placed at the very end of the "I".
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I've never been a fan of the term "blundered" for this either...
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 Posted 01/17/2018  09:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
An "alignment mark" on a die makes little sense for striking setup. The obverse is usually the hammer die, anyway, so even if that were the case, it would be upside-down and not visible to the operator. Even if the obverse is the anvil die in this case, why would one create a mark which not only disfigures the coin but covers only about a third of a millimeter of die space? If one were "eyeballing" the die into alignment, would not Her Majesty's portrait be a far better gauge?

It's plainly a mispunched letter, one of many on that obverse, just the most obvious. I'm as fascinated by the mispunched digits and manifold die gouges in the reverse leaves. Pretty cool coin.
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The alignment I'm talking about is on the master used to make the hubs. Not all of the design is there in making the master (ie, the legend & monarch) and it's recessed... at least that's what I have been led to believe. They are punched in separately and need to be aligned to make sure that it's correct. Once the hub is made from the master, the alignment marks are removed (they are then in relief). I think that one of the hubs had the mark still on it and they removed it and ground/polished it off so the rest of the mintage didn't have the mark.

This topic and this coin has been discussed many times on many forums over the years. I took everything that was written and pothecicised and made my own explanation that made sense to me, as an engineer. No one, even after a liquid lunch, could be that far off on a repunch. The mark doesn't even look like a real "I". I think that it was the result of the master to hub manufacturing process and one die got made with the alignment mark.
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Is the "blundered I" that one extra I above "DEI"? I'm unfamiliar with this kind of error
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Yes, that is the mark in question and it's NOT a "blundered I" .. it is an alignment mark for correctlt placing the elements of the master Obverse (denticles, legend and Monarch).
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