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Bedrock of the Community
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The good news is most of those should be able to be salvaged. The bad news is you're going to have to pay up to get it done because it will require methods where you could easily make them worse if you don't know what you're doing.
Your cheapest method to get them conserved will be to call ICG in Tampa Fl and see if you can work out a deal for them to conserve them and they'll probably want to grade them as well. That would be the most cost effective and give you a good idea of what would be worth sending to PCGS after that if you were interested in selling, if you didn't want to sell then the ICG holders would be much more stable than how they have been stored.
PCGS and NGC would be your other more expensive options. Their grading opinions are valued more but they also cost more and would very likely be extremely cost prohibitive to the point of not being able to afford it for a large group of coins for grading and conservation. If you find some better dates that you know are more valuable it wouldn't be a bad idea to send those to PCGS or NGC while sending the lower valued stuff to ICG.
Others will mention ANACS, but in my opinion they wouldn't be worth using. Their conservation work is fine, they just generally don't select very many things to conserve and you'll get a lot back in the exact same shape you sent them in with grades you won't be happy about.
Whoever you choose not all of them will be conserved, but if you you do want to have them conserved pay someone else to do it.
Edited by basebal21 01/30/2018 2:45 pm
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Well now that I've discovered that they are in this condition I am certainly going to be storing them in a different location from this point forward. Unfortunately it seems the damage is done and irreversible. I don't know how to grade coins and there are just too many for me to pay someone to update what their conditions are in their current state. I guess I will just put them all in new holders and treat them as any other old coin. The ones that are undamaged I will transfer the grade my Grandfather had on them to their new holders. I think after that it's best I forget about them again as the experience has been quite upsetting. I'm sure some of them had substantial monetary value but now they are unattractive to view, and for whomever inherits them from me unattractive for the purpose of sale as collectibles. Interest in these coins might have been a nice activity to take up as I'm retired now but the disappointment I feel in allowing them to degrade to their current condition has tainted any hopes of enjoying them. I look at it sort of the same way I view collector automobiles, they're only original and mint once. If you repaint them, no matter how pretty they can never be original again.Thank you all for your friendly input, it is much appreciated.
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Gramps - why don't you post the rest of your coins on here. I would like to see what other goodies you were left. No reason to be glum. You have a nice group of Morgans even though some may not be as "pretty" as they once were. They are still a nice group.
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There are literally hundreds of coins in every denomination so it would be a task to show them all. It's quite extensive. Well now I'm curious. What am I saving by not researching and correctly dipping a corroded coin? It certainly isn't brilliant anymore. It is uncirculated but damaged never the less. What has more value, a coin that is original and corroded, or a clean coin that has been dipped? If neither has much value above its silver content I would rather not have it look like I went swimming at the beach with it in my pocket. It is all very subjective and confusing.
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Quote: Thank You. Where would I find the post now? Sorry if I put it in the wrong spot. No need to apologize! We are always here to help. By the way, you found it before you replied. It was in the main forum, I moved to the the US Classic forum to fit the coins you have posted. Everything stays the same expect where it shows up in the topic list. 
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Quote: What am I saving by not researching and correctly dipping a corroded coin? It certainly isn't brilliant anymore. Your Morgans are tarnished not corroded. A corroded coin is damaged and a dip will not correct the damage. Your tarnished Morgans are not damaged. Your Morgans have tarnished spots that hurt the eye appeal and value of the coin. A dip done correctly can remove the tarnish and your Morgans will one again be brilliant with no tarnished spots. A dipped BU Morgan will typically sell for more than a Morgan with tarnished spots. Some experts claim that they can tell a dipped coin from a none dipped coin. I have also been told by experts that they can dip a coin that is undetectable. I have dipped coins with great results and I have dipped some that I wish I did not touch.
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Here are more examples. It seems every coin with a nice finish has corrosion and the coins in just ok shape have none. So basically all the nice examples got ruined. One of the halves in the picture had a tare in the plastic and you can see that it tarnished right along that line. As I said in the original post I believe a large amount of this collection is just ruined relative to what they originally were. It's heartbreaking. The more I pull out and look at the worse it gets. I haven't even looked at the pennies yet, I'm sure they fared worse. 
Edited by Gramps76 01/30/2018 4:51 pm
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Sorry I seem to be behind in my responses. By the time I post I find there are others I didn't see and the conversation seems disjointed. I am interested in this dipping process. I plan on doing research on it as I'm not happy with how these coins look. Then again some say never attempt to dip/clean them. It's totally confusing. Tarnish sounds better than corrosion.
Edited by Gramps76 01/30/2018 4:51 pm
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Gramps76,
I'd think long and hard about trying to do restoration/conservation work on your own. IMHO, it's best left to experts who do it for a living. Coins, like any collectable, can be severely damaged by well meaning people who lack the expertise, skills and equipment to do the job properly.
I recommend that you stick with fixing the storage issues and then take the coins to a local dealer (or two if possible), if you have one.
Any legitimate dealer should be willing to look at the coins, provide advice on whether or not conservation is needed and worthwhile, and even make an offer on the coins if you're interested in one. Depending upon the volume of coins, some dealers may want to charge an appraisal fee, and others won't. Ask first about any fees.
I know all of the advice you're now getting from folks you don't know from Adam (myself included) can be/is confusing, but my advice is to err on the side of caution. Do what you can without doing any further damage to the coins, show them to some dealers to get some "live" information and advice, and then make your decisions without rushing into anything.
Best of Luck!
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Quote: I am interested in this dipping process. I plan on doing research on it as I'm not happy with how these coins look. That's fine and good if you want to research the process to learn more about it, but the brutal truth is that you are not the person to be conserving the coins. The hard reality about conservation is that if someone needs to research and ask questions on how to do it they aren't the ones who should be doing it when it comes to having to use dips and things of that nature. You only get so many tries with dips on a coin and it takes a lot of practice to get good with them. That involves buying damaged and toned coins of low value to experiment on to get the practice needed. It also requires countless hours of not only practice but numismatic knowledge to know what to do to what coins and if anything at all should even be tried. If you try and do it yourself I can basically guarantee that you will ruin a good number of them if not the majority or all of them. I'm only telling you that to save you from making that mistake. The people that say to never clean or dip a coin mostly say that because the people that could/should be doing the conservation work would have never had to ask in the first place. As I said in my previous post a good number if not a large majority of these should be able to be conserved, you just need a professional to do it. Dip will probably work for most, others may need different methods or treatments ect.
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You've received tremendous response to your questions and comments. I'm just proud to be a tiny part of such a tremendous forum. Ill be keeping my eyes open for more threads from you.
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It's a lot to think about. Being that I don't plan on selling them I'm not looking to invest big money in fixing them. The best approach might be to just leave them be for the next person to posses them. It's a tough choice because I'm not happy enough with them now to take an active interest in them. I restore old cars and I'm pretty good at recreating original finishes but obviously that's not the case with coins.
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Bedrock of the Community
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Please note that almost all replies are based on value. What I mean is everyone keeps saying how you'll probably ruin those coins value wise. Since your not looking to sell them, their value is not important. To you it's appearance and just something to remember someone by. My suggestion is to just go to Walmart and buy some jewelry cleaner. It will get rid of stuff like those dark spots on anything Silver. HOWEVER, first look up the coins value. If it is a highly valuable coin, cleaning it is really not a good idea. Only for someone in the future and not for you though. I've cleaned many coins in my collection and since I never sell coins and just keep for my own self, makes no real difference. If I showed a cleaned coin to someone and they said it looks cleaned, I'd just say so what, it's mine. Always reminds me of me changing the oil on my cars. I use whatever is cheap. And I mix all sorts of types and weights in doing so. I've heard so many people tell me this will run my cars and I say things like "gee, glad you told me since I've been doing that for about 30 years now with the same car". As I said, as long as they are yours, do with them as you wish. Only worry about cleaning if you plan on selling.
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 Enjoy the journey!
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Gramps76,
I did some cleaning of old copper coins from the 1797 on when my Grampa had brought from England and copper shined real good and I still have them and they are are dark now and don't look to cleaned and I did this in the early 50`s as a new coin fanatic
I also and have restored a lot of old cars when my body worked better. I still have my 1964 Buick Wildcat Convertible,as my handle, the last one I can do. My son has his name on it when that day comes. I got in in 1979 and it looked worse than some of my coins did
Gary
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