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Looking For Ideas To Make It Worthwhile To Buy An Electronic Metals Tester

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 Posted 04/12/2018  09:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Not sure why you want one or need one. But if you do buy one, what are you planning on doing with it?
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 Posted 04/12/2018  10:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jgenn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Determining the specific gravity of an object is a time tested method.
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 Posted 04/12/2018  11:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinCollector2012 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply


I agree that the Sigma tester is exactly what you need. The coin shop I work at has one and we use it every day. In addition, my coin club recently purchased one for club use, and it is brought to each meeting for members to use.
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You cannot determine the specific gravity of a bar at a coin show. If you buy this sort of stuff, you need to have a way of verifying it or the thieves will migrate to you. $750 is just a cost of doing business with the public. It might be an idea to get your local coin club to buy one. My local club has about $10K in the treasury with no particular plans to do anything but the routine activities. Maybe I'll bring it up at a meeting.
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Well, as far as scarcity goes out here in Kansas City, there are only 2 shops I know of that have them. A jewelry shop in Liberty and a coin shop in Independence. Neither of which are convenient for me.

Again, I would only buy one if I were taking in large amounts of raw coins. I have arrangements with local pawn shops to buy up their inventory, but for now, the Neanderthal methods I use give me enough piece of mind.
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I think XRF testing is what is being referred to when "metals' testing is being discussed.

XRF means X-Ray Florescence.
What is does, is scan the surface of the metal to be tested with a beam of X-Rays.
A florescence scatter bounces off the surface, the measurable characteristic of which will be different for the proportion of concentration every metal, in the metal surface.

By itself, XRF has it's limitations.
It will not work for suspect faked coins that have been metal plated.
Because only the metal surface is scanned, XRF testing by itself, is useless for investigating the metal alloy in the body of the object to be tested.
Specific gravity testing or ultrasound testing as well, is required for a conclusive investigation.

Therefore, (another way of saying it),
it IS however, very useful when XRF testing is done in conjunction with specific gravity testing, weight measurement, and volume measurement.

Those tests together, especially in conjunction with ultrasound, provided the proof necessary uncover the plot of fake gold encased tungsten cored bullion bars a few years ago. (Tungsten has the same density as gold).

Lawrence Bragg won a Nobel Prize for Physics for original research work done on X-Ray florescence, in the early 1900's.
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Non plated fake coins are easily detected with XRF.
That is what knocks out the pallid looking cheap Chinese fakes, if you only have a suspicion.

XRF is very useful in helping to investigate the authenticity of ancient gold coins. The ancient metal refiners were imperfect. They could only get rid of most of the silver from ancient refined gold to about 95% pure, and had no idea on how to remove the trace elements of Platinum and Palladium.
It is these trace metals that are looked for, when confirming the alloy of ancient gold coins, not the purity of the gold.

Modern fake ancient gold coins are often made from melted down modern gold coins, which have the Platinum and Palladium electrolytically refined out.
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