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Pillar of the Community
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Problem-free all the way since you underlined 'future value' as priority with limited funds now Authenticated as well re: key dates
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Quote: Problem-free all the way since you underlined 'future value' as priority with limited funds now Authenticated as well re: key dates Sorry, I'm not sure what you are saying. Bill
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Quote: There are different levels of problem coins. The really bad problem coins I would stay away from. There are slightly cleaned coins that don't look to bad in a album. Agreed. Not all problem coins are created equal and things like polished or the really mangled ones I would avoid as well. Slightly cleaned or minor issue details coins are the coins I actually believe are perfect for albums as there are a number of them were it does seem to be a shame they get hit with the details label yet still have some decent eye appeal. As for the initial question of the tread it depends what coins are being talked about as mentioned. I am honestly not convinced that low grade straight graded keys are a better buy or easier to sell when you look at how many AG or G ones are out there for so many series. You get kind of stuck in no mans land with some of them in the sense that they are abundant (16-D FR/AG Dime) but still costly and a sizeable number of collectors would rather save longer for a nicer example. Usually the low grade vs details comes down to a fiances, either someone cannot afford the higher grades which is most people or they have a comfort threshold for the cost of a coin they don't want to cross. Would I run out and buy every details coin I see, no I wouldn't but if I was doing an album I would be more inclined. Really kind of the point I am getting at is that I don't believe it is as cut and dry or a no brainer decision. I have definitely seen VF/XF details coins that I would rather have over a AG/G04 coin and some of those low grade keys can be difficult to sell for a fair price if you decided to sell when they are in the low grade no mans land of not much detail but not enough for a low ball (low ball collectors generally seem to avoid keys anyway). As mentioned before details coins can be bought and sold just like any others can. I do believe the decision is a lot more complicated and that it really does just depend on the details coin in question and the budget in question as well as personal taste and comfort levels.
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I go to a lot of coin shows and notice that dealers always have more problems selling a damaged coin than a just worn out one. Many dealers keep them separated so they can have customers look through worn ones. Then damaged ones just don't sell well at all. Some dealers mix damaged coins in with error coins so people would think of them as only an error.
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Always try to find the problem free coin even if in a lower grade. I'm working on an IHC set right now. While I'm primarily shooting for AU - MS in most of the dates, I dropped down to a problem free and very nice VF35 for the 1877 and XF40 or 45 in some other semi-key dates. At the end of the day, you want to be happy with the choices you made. Otherwise, you will be looking to pick up better examples in the future.
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Quote: basebal21 wrote: Agreed. Not all problem coins are created equal and things like polished or the really mangled ones I would avoid as well. Slightly cleaned or minor issue details coins are the coins I actually believe are perfect for albums as there are a number of them were it does seem to be a shame they get hit with the details label yet still have some decent eye appeal.
As for the initial question of the tread it depends what coins are being talked about as mentioned. I am honestly not convinced that low grade straight graded keys are a better buy or easier to sell when you look at how many AG or G ones are out there for so many series. You get kind of stuck in no mans land with some of them in the sense that they are abundant (16-D FR/AG Dime) but still costly and a sizeable number of collectors would rather save longer for a nicer example.
Usually the low grade vs details comes down to a fiances, either someone cannot afford the higher grades which is most people or they have a comfort threshold for the cost of a coin they don't want to cross. Would I run out and buy every details coin I see, no I wouldn't but if I was doing an album I would be more inclined.
Really kind of the point I am getting at is that I don't believe it is as cut and dry or a no brainer decision. I have definitely seen VF/XF details coins that I would rather have over a AG/G04 coin and some of those low grade keys can be difficult to sell for a fair price if you decided to sell when they are in the low grade no mans land of not much detail but not enough for a low ball (low ball collectors generally seem to avoid keys anyway). As mentioned before details coins can be bought and sold just like any others can.
I do believe the decision is a lot more complicated and that it really does just depend on the details coin in question and the budget in question as well as personal taste and comfort levels. Thanks! There are obviously different levels of collector and some, like me, have limits like acknowledged above. I am merely an Album Collector, my goal is to fill the album with the best coins practical for me, not the absolute best. These limitations mean hard compromise, not merely delay. You all gave me your helpful opinions and I'm grateful and feeling comfortable with the way I am putting my collection together and also about fitting in here. In my original question I made the mistake of asking about "future value" because it will not be a major concern. Bottom line, I'm learning that generally good judgement and common sense are key to selecting any coin. Bill
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Here's a coin that I intentionally purchased and intentionally had slabbed with variety attribution. It is in an NGC slab labeled FINE DETAILS / OBV GRAFFITI, ENV. DAMAGE.   Why did I pay for all this? It has an R-5+ rarity, 31-75 known, "Rare" There's a strong chance that I'll never encounter another (but I won't stop looking).
Edited by kanga 09/05/2018 5:09 pm
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Quote: kanga wrote: Here's a coin that I intentionally purchased and intentionally had slabbed with variety attribution. It is in an NGC slab labeled FINE DETAILS / OBV GRAFFITI, ENV. DAMAGE.
Very nice coin!! I certainly understand why you purchased and graded this unique coin, a very special coin to own. I have sketchy knowledge of coin grading or the cost. It seems grading should quantify condition of a coin which then, combined with availability or market conditions, etc., should help define its value. True? What is the cost or does it vary? Thanks for showing this interesting coin. I would like to know exactly what the graffiti was. Bill
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United States
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Quote: I would like to know exactly what the graffiti was. In this case it's, at least in part, the big "X" in front of Liberty's chin. Pricing coins that are rarely listed by variety type (in this case 1831 Browning-7) is not easy. My resources say that an 1831 common date graded Fine would be in the $150-200 range. A DETAILS coin would at most be half that. Let's just say I paid a bunch more because of its rarity.
Edited by kanga 09/05/2018 7:23 pm
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Valued Member
United States
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I'm trying to complete a Liberty nickel collection and I'm just missing an 1885 and 1912-S. Existing coins are VF to AU. I stay away from cleaned coins, but small nicks are not noticible to the naked eye in an album. As long as the details coin is priced like one, buy away if it looks nice next to its neighbors. I for one am selling some slabbed Barber quarters so I can get a straight grade 1912-S in F12 condition. Seems like details coins are selling for slightly less so I decided to pony up and avoid a detailed coin. That 1885...well a poor or fair condition coin is like a slug to me. Slightly scratched AG please.
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Quote: one, buy away if it looks nice next to its neighbors. Yes; whenever necessary and possible! Bill
Edited by Stewillard 09/05/2018 10:42 pm
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Pillar of the Community
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Quote: Wizardnyc wrote: As long as the details coin is priced like one, buy away if it looks nice next to its neighbors.
Yes; whenever necessary and possible!
Bill Problem often is that sellers don't offer such coins at a reasonable price. Half of catalog should be the most, and often less than that.
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Quote: kanga wrote: Problem often is that sellers don't offer such coins at a reasonable price. Half of catalog should be the most, and often less than that. You got me there! Since I'm so new I'm sure I haven't left too much money on the table yet. I've been using past selling prices and trying to consider differences beteeen the coins, as a basic price check. Is there an actual catalog that approximates values? This is important for and of us trying to make good decisions. Thanks!
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Quote: Is there an actual catalog that approximates values?
To the best of my knowledge, no. You have to do research of auctions and ebay. And remember on ebay to look at: -- completed auctions, and -- items that actually sold.
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Quote:kanga wrote: To the best of my knowledge, no. You have to do research of auctions and ebay. And remember on ebay to look at: -- completed auctions, and -- items that actually sold. This is what I've been doing but I'm sure it will take quite a few transactions before I am good at it.
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