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I really need help here. I think that a few of these may be Japanese, but I really am not sure. Any input would be appreciated! Do you guys think that these are real? Thanks! Image:  cashcoinsobv2.jpg68.16 KB Image: cashcoinsrev2.jpg64.24 KB |
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The three smaller ones (numbered 1, 3 and 5 when counting top left to bottom right) are Japanese kanei tsuuhou 1 mon coins. These were issued from 1636 right through to 1868 without change in design. The website offers some hints as to narrowing down the date range. Number 4 is Korean, a sang p'yong cash coin. This design was issued from 1633 to 1883, and the pages and pages of reverse types listed in Krause aren't helped by the almost complete lack of pictures. Number 2 is puzzling. I think the obverse legend gives the "reign-name" (in Chinese) as "yu min", which translates to "abundant people". I can't find any cash coins with this reign name, from anywhere. There is a region in far western China by that name, but I think it's safe to say that with a title like "abundant people", it's most likely a good luck charm, along the lines of "may you have many descendants". I can't make out the character on the reverse. By the way, the dictionaries on this site are excellent for translating Chinese characters. I sure can't read Chinese without a site like this. Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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Sap- thank you very much! You have been a great help.
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Sap- I have another question for you relating to these coins. #3 appears to have a "Gen" mint mark and fits the description perfectly on the site to which you gave the link. Do you have any idea of the possible KM#s of 1,3,&5? I am not certain that I see a KM# for #1 and #5 since the only ones listed are for iron coins that lack a mint mark. I believe that #3 is C#1.8, but all that is listed for this type is "ND (1741)" So does this mean that these were made between 1741 and 1868? Thanks again!
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07/16/2008 6:51 pm
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The Korean coin is probably KM 294.1 1752, 2 Mun, Special Army Unit. Reverse: Mok at bottom, series number left. KM#1.1 1636-1656, is about as close as Krause gets on #1+#5, the JNDA catalog(Japanese equivalent of the Red Book) lists around 90 varieties with a similar obverse, dating from 1626-1774. #3 is KM#1.8 Edited by DCH
07/16/2008 7:38 pm
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DCH- Thanks for the info! Actually I Think that the Korean coin is KM# 310 since the character on the bottom of the reverse looks more like "su" to me.
So is KM 1.8 just from 1741 or a much greater range of dates? I seriously doubt that coins of this denomination were only minted in Osaka for that one year.
Also, what kind of value does Krause list for 1.1? (I actually don't have the 17th century book)
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07/16/2008 8:13 pm
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I wish I could read Japanese to be sure, but it looks like 1741 was the only year for #1.8.
Originally I thought it was Su, then changed to Mok, now I'm back to Su :)
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deutscheboy96-thanks for input, but....I'm fairly certain that 4 out of 5 are not.
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1, 3, and 5 are surely Japanese. The third one has a character on the reverse, and thus is identifiable as a Shin-Kaneisen No. 59 (JNDA catalog p.128).
4 is Korean, and the "-" is a serial number not a denomination.
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