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Penny And Nickel Melting Ban

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 Posted 07/26/2008  12:48 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add logan_seeley to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I was wondering what people think about the ban on melting pennies and nickels. Please tell me what you think. Thanks for your input!

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 Posted 07/26/2008  8:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Absolutely stupid. Cents make a one way trip from mint to drawer, so who cares if they're melted? They'd only melt the ones that have been out of circulation for over a quarter century, so it won't affect commerce.

The need to do some sort of 2009 cent commemorative, then quit making them. Ditto nickels. They have the same value that Half Cents had when they quit making them.
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 Posted 07/29/2008  3:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add logan_seeley to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Biggfredd,

I definitely agree. Thanks for the input!
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 Posted 07/30/2008  5:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not sure if this is your intent, but if you are wanting to profit from hunting copper, there are plenty of people willing to buy bulk copper cents for more than face value. Let the buyer worry about the legality of "recycling" the metal!
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 Posted 07/30/2008  6:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Pennypusher to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't see hoarding nickels as being profitable, but hoarding copper cents is surely a better idea. If quarters or dimes had a metallic worth of 2.5 times face value I'd make a trip to the bank at least once a day. But since the denomination of one cent is so minuscule I find separating copper cents from zincolns to be a very tedious and barely profitable task so I don't do it very often. -PP
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There is such a ban? I don't think the metal recyclers around here no that. Jewelers also do their share of melting just about anything meltable. I've learned to keep my mouth shut lately so no one sees my Silver Fillings in my teeth. Coins, wires, piping and anything else just vanishes in those metal recycler places here.
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As a PS to my last statement remember that a bar of Silver, Copper, Tin, Zinc, etc is just a bar of metal. Impossible to know if it was ever a coin and the metal recyclers know that.
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 Posted 08/11/2008  1:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add logan_seeley to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just Carl,

I agree, the ban is ridiculous. I personally don't melt coins, but that's up to the person who owns them. I think that since they're a person's own possession, the government has no right to tell them what they can and can't do with it.
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 Posted 08/11/2008  4:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ken8400 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Pakistan people are melting their pennies. It's not that great of a grade of copper. So it can only be used in large wires. The goverment is just going to stop making them. I'm sure when copper pennies were 2.5 cents , there was some melting going on.
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There is such a ban? I don't think the metal recyclers around here no that.


There is indeed such a ban. As often happens, it was passed by no-nothing legislators who felt the need to "do something".

Only pre-Zincolns are worth melting, at about 2¢ each. These would have to be pulled out of mixed coins, and the only ways are to weigh them or read the dates. It's not like pulling wheat cents where half of them show a completely different design.

Go thru a handful of cents. It's rare that you'll find one before 2000, much less 1983. So even if lots of people went thru lots of cents to pull out copper, it would have very little effect on the amount available for circulation. Heck, it might even bring some back out of piggy banks.

So unless someone steals a bunch of cents and they trace them to a melter, the odds of the police wasting their time chasing down people breaking this law are between slim and none.
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Heck, it might even bring some back out of piggy banks.
I agree. I have also made the same comment in reference to if/when they stop minting the cents for circulation.
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It's disappointing when people care more about the metallic value than they do about the coin itself. :(
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What's the numismatic value of a coin they made enough for every person on the planet to own one?

In 1980, we got as high as $30 from the refinery for silver dollars. Had we held them for 28 years to sell to collectors, we STILL couldn't get that much for them.

Anyone who feels that coins shouldn't be melted is welcome to step up with large quantities of money when dealers are wanting to sell.
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Only a portion of those coins survive in circulation. Besides, I am not thinking of the immediate value, but what the value may be (and not just monetarily) in a hundred years when the population will be more than double what it is today.
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I'm not crazy about melting coins. They are a piece of history and an example of art (okay, most of them are). Common they are - but I would think that any collector would cringe a little every time he saw a coin disappear forever into a melting pot.
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I am not thinking of the immediate value, but what the value may be (and not just monetarily) in a hundred years when the population will be more than double what it is today.

No offense meant, but you must be new to collecting. I can remember when Barber dimes, all over 50 years old, had a collector value of 15¢, and Barber quarters were 35¢. The population was 2/3 of today, and mintages were 3-10 million.

If it wasn't for their scrap value, those coins would be at most 50¢-$1 today.

How about "popular" silver dollars? After 80 years, brand new bags of 1885P dollars (18 million made) were selling for $3000, and most of that was silver content. You could go to any show and pick out proof-likes for under $5. Keep in mind that this was AFTER millions of them were melted.


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I would think that any collector would cringe a little every time he saw a coin disappear forever into a melting pot.

If it wasn't for the melting pot and metals prices, we'd still be using Barber coins for change. And new cents are made in quantities from 100-1000 times that many.

I currently am offering some halves for melt price. I don't see anyone jumping to buy them. So I guess I'll have to upset some collectors when they eventually make their way to the refinery.
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