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Help Identify 4 Ancient Roman Provincials

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 Posted 12/14/2018  12:42 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add PhoenicianX to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello Everyone,

I recently won a lot of 10 coins from Roma Numismatics. This is my first win on a group of coins since I usually buy each coin as an individual lot. The others coins (which I will post later) have that notorious so called desert patina but I took the risk anyways as there some coins that I really wanted. If any could help me identify those I would highly appreciate it.

Edit: Apologies for the image. I have no idea how the ended up rotated


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 Posted 12/14/2018  01:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Biancasdad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Congrats. Very nice lot.

Had some spare time so to help with the discussion.

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 Posted 12/14/2018  01:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add PhoenicianX to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you very much Biancasdad! That is really kind of you!
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Thank you very much Palouche! It does look like a match to me
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 Posted 12/14/2018  07:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add PhoenicianX to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thought Id contribute to the quest..

Coin 1: Is it possibly from Heliopolis? ive seen similar clasping hand reverse types.. Could it be Valerian?
Coin 2: Couldn't find anything on this! the reverse looks quite byzantine but I know its a roman provincial. and what about the countermark "CA"? any thoughts on this?
Coin 3: I have a hard time finding anything for it!.
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 Posted 12/14/2018  09:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ben to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Coin 1# is an Alexandrian obol of Hadrian, I think its this one:

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AVT KAI TPAI ADPIA CEB, laureate draped bust right / L-IE, Hadrian standing to left holding scepter receiving corn ears from Alexandra.
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 Posted 12/14/2018  09:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add PhoenicianX to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Ben! I've found them labelled as tetradrachms but it seems to be a match!
Any idea on coin 2 and 3?
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If it is billon, then it would be a tetradrachm, but I reckon that is straight up copper, which makes it the right-ish size for an obol. The denominations on these are inconsistent at best.

I can see LAOD on the back of coin 2#, which makes me think Laodicea. Wildwinds has one with a CA countermark too. It looks to be this one:

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Septimius Severus. Syria, Laodicea ad Mare Mint 193-211 AD Obverse: Laureate head right. Reverse: IOVL / LAODIK / CEOVHR / MHTROPO / LL. (Or similar) Legend in five lines within wreath. References: Cf. SNG Copenhagen 361, Cf BMC 85. Size: 28mm, 14.51g.

Coin 3 looks to be someone young, perhaps Geta or Caracalla. The reverse has a section that reads ANTCH, which might suggest Antioch, but it actually seems to be somewhere else. The type is very similar to this one for Caracalla from Amaseia, Pontus, though the listing text gives a reading slightly different to what I see in the picture:

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Caracalla, AE28 of Amaseia, Pontus. AD 209. 14.84g. AY KAI M AY ANTΩNINOC, radiate, draped, cuirassed bust right / AΔΡ CEY ANT AMACIAC MHT NE ΠΡ Π around, date ET CT in lower centre, Caracalla and Geta, both togate, standing facing each other, clasping hands; star in centre field. SNG v. Aulock 6709; Paris 129-131 and 133; Paris 143; RecGen 77 corrected; Dalaison (2008), 488e; SNG France V 997-998.
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 Posted 12/14/2018  1:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add PhoenicianX to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks a lot Ben! I really appreciate it!

Seems that the Caracalla type is hard to pin point. Cant find any example of it on the CNG research database. Also curious to know what the CA might stand for so Ill continue to search! Anyways, thank you again!
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The countermark on the Septimius Severus is quite interesting. This coin was issued before the city became a roman colony; when the city became a colony, they added the countermark CA, then later a further mark of COL, which apparently allowed the coins to circulate alongside the newly introduced latin coinage. FORVM has a good page on counterstamps which has a few from this colony. The presence of the CA punch but the absence of the COL punch means this coin was lost between the times when they were applied, around 194AD.

Incidentally, Laodicea, named for the mother of Seleucus I in pre-roman times, has morphed its name into Latakia, now a major port city of Syria, which still retains this tetraporticus of Septimius Severus:

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 Posted 12/19/2018  05:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add PhoenicianX to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks again for all of this Ben! I really appreciate it.
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