Where To Draw The Line On What Counts As Damage

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Quatchi Valued Member Canada 228 Posts	Posted 01/31/2019 9:07 pm At what point would one call a coin cleaned or damaged? Example: The coin in question is in an ICCS MS-63 holder. The coin has a very small black spot of some kind and it looks like someone has tried to remove it with something. Unfortunately, this unsuccessful spot removal attempt has disturbed the lustre (tiny scratch) near the mark, but it is ONLY visible under magnification. This disturbance is not detectable with the naked eye and is much smaller than some of the bag marks on the coin. ICCS didn't indicate anything on the holder, I'm thinking maybe they just counted it as a bag mark. Your thoughts? Report this Post to the Staff

Tmorge5 New Member United States 37 Posts	Posted 01/31/2019 9:10 pm I need a picture to determine. In my opinion. It comes down to a case by case basis. Report this Post to the Staff
okiecoiner Pillar of the Community Canada 5585 Posts	Posted 02/01/2019 05:24 am ICCS grades on, essentially, just coin "wear" .. they very seldom will annotate in "remarks" about cleaning or spots or luster interruptions. ICCS grades are often referred to as 'Technical grades", paying little or no attention to surface, whether plus or minus. Other TPG's will normally make note of them, depending upon the severity of them. Some TPG's are very critical about dips and cleaning, once above 62 or so. Edited by okiecoiner 02/01/2019 05:27 am Report this Post to the Staff
sel_69l Bedrock of the Community Australia 21786 Posts	Posted 02/01/2019 06:29 am Everyone understands what damage is, in a general sense. Different collectors will tolerate different types of damage to different extents. An interesting question that will have a personal subjective answer and not an objective non personal answer. My approach to thinking about buying a particular damaged coin is to ask myself: 'How much would the damage that affects this coin influence the buyer in a negative way, if they were to buy the coin off me?' I would then factor this consideration into my value judgement, before considering to buy the coin for myself. "comment" on a slab affects the value of a coin independent of the grading. Report this Post to the Staff
john100 Pillar of the Community Canada 5324 Posts	Posted 02/01/2019 08:32 am That is why there are good MS 63 and crappy 63, just sell or trade it for another, ICCS does not regard eye appeal in their grading Report this Post to the Staff
basebal21 Bedrock of the Community 13014 Posts	Posted 02/02/2019 12:55 am Quote: ICCS grades on, essentially, just coin "wear" .. they very seldom will annotate in "remarks" about cleaning or spots or luster interruptions. ICCS grades are often referred to as 'Technical grades", paying little or no attention to surface, whether plus or minus. If that's true, that wouldn't even be technical grading. Technical grading does include surfaces and the preservation, but really even wear deals with surfaces. Ignoring eye appeal is completely different than ignoring surface quality and problems. Report this Post to the Staff
Quatchi Valued Member Canada 228 Posts	Posted 02/02/2019 7:02 pm I think I'm going to look at it this way. The damage isolated to one tiny spot and is not visible without magnification, and it is smaller than some bag marks on this MS-63 coin. Whether ICCS missed it, intentionally ignored it, or net graded it, I don't know. I'm happy with it the way it is, so I'm going to keep it. Report this Post to the Staff
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