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2016 P Harper's Ferry Quarter With "Detail Erasing Die Wear" Ebay Purchase

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Thank you very much Chase007! I had a feeling that you'd like it!
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The fields are the highest (and flattest) points on the die... even if the die was deteriorating, why are the deepest parts of the die (highest devices) also affected equally?



I am hoping Mike (and maybe even Ken Potter) will weigh into this conversation...
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SPP-Ottawa, I'll contact Mike Diamond for you.
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What I see is a very extreme case of Die Deterioration. I coined the phrase Premature Die Deterioration Doubling back in the 1980s (my thoughts on it first published in Error-Variety News in the early 1980s) and in this case that very certainly could be the what happened to this coin. Since I was not standing there when the coin was minted, and there is only one coin to examine and that only being photographically, I have no real way to prove what happened beyond that. I'd say calling it extreme Die Deterioration would be enough. Needle picking it to a point further is well ... pointless. What we know for sure is that it is a form of Die Deterioration and that it could be premature (due to improper die hardening, etc). We can speculate all we what but research based on one coin alone isn't going to get us any closer to any finer details as to what happened.
As an aside, I think the most extreme example of Die Deterioration I've seen was on a coin from Napal but I've also seen one that was very extreme on a US States Quarter and one on a Jefferson nickel. I personally do not assign any value to such a coin as DD is not widely accepted as a "collectable" with any particular value except on Early American coins where they are often collected by distinguishable die states. Nonetheless it is a very extreme example and I can see somebody wanting to pay a premium to get an example of this. I paid a premium (though small) for the Nepalese piece just to get it in for photography/educational use. Interesting coin!
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happy hunting
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It's not a normal case of Die Deterioration. I would classify it as a type of die deformation error. It could be due to improper die treatment (annealing, quenching, tempering, etc.) or a faulty piece of die steel. In such cases, anything goes.
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Thank you koinpro, cookiemontser, amd Mike Diamond for your comments! I appreciate your input.
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So, it's a spender? LOL
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Big-Kingdom, not in my eyes. I bought it, because it's not your normal case of Die Deterioration.
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