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Question Regarding 1804 Bank Of England Dollar

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I recently read an article in the May edition of World Coin News regarding the 1804 Bank of England Dollar. The article stated that from 1809 to 1811 the Bank restruck 3.5 million dollars dated 1804. This tells me that there should be overstruck Ferdinand 8 reales (at least imaginary bust types). I personally have only seen overstruck Carolus 8 reales. Are there any CCF members who have, or have seen, an overstruck Ferdinand 8 reales?
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I'm sure others will help!



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I have a 1804 Bank of England Dollar, but I cannot see sufficient evidence to confirm overstrike of either CAROLVS 1V or FERDIN V11.
I also have an 1808 8 Reales (Lima) of Ferdinand V11.

Provinences: 1804 Dollar from coin dealer who also does international public auctions, and
1808 8 Reales from a hoard in Lima, Peru from a missionary friend.

I looked on Google Images and failed to find an overstrike on an 1808 8 reales.

Coincraft's 1998 Catalogue of English and UK Coins does not mention an overstrike on 1808 8 Reales coins, and the technical write up on the Bank of England Dollars is highly detailed.

Ferdinand V11 first reign was short: 11 March 1808 to May 1808.

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I note that Google Images has pictures of
New South Wales Holey Dollars that have been overstruck on 1808 Ferdinand V11 Spanish milled dollars.
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Not all host planchets for the BofE dollars were made from 8 reales. There were actually virgin silver planchets included in the original issue of 1804 (see Spink's book on the subject).

The period 1809 - 1811 was coincidentally the era of the Bank Token coinage using new designs and lighter weights - those coins were all struck on new planchets not rolled or cut down Spanish coinage. That could be a clue indicating a new source of raw materials had become available by that point in time.

Just a thought.
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The silver token era of Great Britain is the reason why I happen to have an 1804 BofE Dollar.
It is part of a small collection of about a dozen silver tokens (both bank and private issues), that I have managed to put together, over a period of decades.

The reason for the acquisition of the Spanish Dollar is that I greatly value it because it was given to me,
and Spanish Dollars were mentioned in the NSW Proclamation for acceptable circulation of foreign coins in the early colonial history of NSW.

The Holey Dollar (dated 1813),
was stamped out of a Spanish milled Dollar; two coins resulted:
a large silver coin, with the same diameter as a Spanish milled Dollar, tariffed at 5 Shillings,
and
a 'dump' coin, tariffed at one shilling and threepence.

The point I am making here is that a small percentage of Holey Dollars were made in 1813 did, in fact, have host coins that were 1808 Spanish Milled Dollars of Ferdinand V11.
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Swamperbob, you might be onto something there. Possibly the restrikes were not overstruck, but struck on virgin planchets. Its also interesting to note that Boulton restruck the dollars and the London Mint struck the minors.

sel 691, thanks for your input. The holey dollars are fascinating to me. Alas, my meager resources will never allow me to own one myself.
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