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Carolus III Coin?

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 Posted 01/19/2006  11:49 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add jmisecsys to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
A friend of mine has this coin and was wondering what it is and what it could be worth.
Please let me know if anyone knows.

Can anyone tell me how to post a picture so that I may show it here?

Thanks, Jeff

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 Posted 01/19/2006  11:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jmisecsys to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
OK maybe I figured out how to post it.



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 Posted 01/20/2006  12:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KLD to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hello and welcome to the forum.

There are plenty of members here that will be able to help you.

To make it easier do you have a scan of the other side?
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 Posted 01/20/2006  02:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jmisecsys to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
OK, here is the other side.

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 Posted 01/20/2006  03:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KLD to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Interesting coin. I can't find it in my book.

Maybe someone else can help.

I would have a guess at a British type coin.
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 Posted 01/20/2006  07:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kuhli to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
8 reales
1781
Mexico City mintmark
F F mintmasters' mark
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 Posted 01/20/2006  07:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kuhli to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
BTW, this is refered to as a "pillar dollar", which was a very popular piece in the early history of US money.
due to a shortage of small change, these were often cut into halves (4-reales), fourths (2-reales), and eighths (1-reales). The small 1/8th wedge were called "bits". 2 bits (or 2 reales) were equal to one-fourth of a dollar, which is where the modern US quarter gets it's nickname as "2-bits."
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 Posted 01/20/2006  4:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KLD to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I was way off.

Interesting history to the coin.
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 Posted 01/23/2006  11:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jmisecsys to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Does anyone know what it is worth?
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 Posted 01/25/2006  12:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Scavenger to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If it had a counterstamp it would be worth $100 - $200 even in it's current condition.
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 Posted 01/25/2006  8:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Heather the Hoarder to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have a few of these. Actually, this is the type that came after the classic "pillar dollar" as defined in the Red Book, but this type would have circulated alongside it (and would probably have been more common in the later years). Often, these are referred to as "pillar dollars" as well. Sometimes, I hear the term "portrait dollar" for these, to contrast them with the classic pillar dollars which have no portrait.

Common dates of these "portrait dollars" usually go for less money than the pillar dollars, but they are still good coins to have, and they definitely circulated in the U.S. until 1857.

I don't know what the current value would be (they may have been subject to the recent run-up in coin prices), but when I bought mine about ten years ago, they were typically about $25 to $50, depending on date and grade. Mine are low to mid-grade (G to VF); no fantastic ones, and all common dates. The earlier pillar dollars, in contrast, often run about $200, thanks largely to their Red Book fame. Given that the pillar dollars seem to be about as common, the portrait dollars represent a great value, since they are of the same historical interest.

By the way, fractional denominations exist for both the pillar and portrait series; 1/2, 1, and 2 reales are quite common and inexpensive; I have quite a few of these. 4 reales (half dollar size) are hard to come by and are often more scarce and expensive than the dollars.

These coins were made in a number of different mints in the New World, with Mexico City issues being among the most common. Similar types were also made in Spain.

Heather
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 Posted 01/26/2006  4:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rick to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

8 Reales minted in Mexico City, under spanish rule (by the mint mark of the small o over large M). The assayer's initials follow the denomination in the legend, in this case appears as F F.

This particular piece circulated, like many of its time, in the orient, where many merchants punched their chops into the coin. Chopmarks like these are considered damage, but some people collect them for varieties.

I'd say the price range in the 30 to 45 dollar range is pretty common.

Higher grade examples without the chops can go for much more.
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Here's a short piece I typed up on the pillar minor, which was Heather mentioned was this coin's earlier version... the pillar design was replaced by the bust under King Charles III.

Nothing here is particularly difficult to find information, but a collection of information found in some common resources.

http://www.rickscoinstop.com/Misc_S...essay002.htm
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I have deleted this post.As per your other post sunyang, this Forum has a rule that you must have 50 posts before you can solicit sales of coins in this Forum. This is the second time you have disregarded this rule. Please refrain from doing so until you have reached the minimum requirement of 50 posts.
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 Posted 02/09/2006  3:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add willieboyd2 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Bust dollar:
Carolus-III-Coin?
A portrait or "bust" dollar from 200 years ago.
King Charles IV (IIII) was III's son.
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Wow thats some sweet SILVER!!!
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