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1936 NZ Florin

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A very lucky find at a local shop!
Note: these 50/50 AgCu Florins often take on dingy colors.

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 Posted 08/31/2008  12:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nelrak to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'll take a stab at it and say XF.
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Thanks! I'll be happy if it's anywhere near XF (check out Krauss)
My honest grade would be somewhere near gVF.
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Yup, I'd give it XF for sure.
Appears only slight wear on the crown
Very nice coin
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Thanks for your grade. I'm being very conservative here because of catalog value in XF. ($400)
But I'll take that grade if it fits.
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G'day, I'm not overly familiar with these: I have a few KG6 taken from circulation when I was a boy.

WW is right: look at the crown; also the shoulder and collar.
the kiwi seems featherless on his neck and thigh - would need to see a proof or similar to know exactly what to expect.

I'd be happy to agree with gVF.

It was an interesting feature of NZ's decimalization that they kept this design on the 20-cent: an icon to link the generations.

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Based on my limitied knowledge and Eigners standards with all of the pearls still being seen on the coin and detail on the orb and some detail remaining in the mustache .

His illustration says to pay special atention to the mustache and orb as the high points of the obverse they will show the first traces of wear .

this coin could go as high as ABOUT UNC of course Eigner is all about australian coinage in his guide but the same obverse is used in his guide which should allow the same criteria to be applied .
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Thanks...if the details suggest a gXF, I'll gladly take it!
I do have some UNC NZ Florins with missing detail on the kiwi--perhaps partially due to strike?
Here is a CuNi issue:

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Kurt

Here is the text on a/UNC from the guide

About Uncirculated

This refers to a coin which either shows only the slightest traces of circulation ,is an exceptionally poorly struck coin or shows an exceptionally high degree of bagging .In most cases there will be evidence of wear on the highest points of the coin.On George V coins pay close attention to George V's moustache and on the orb of the crown .Coins in about Uncirculated condition will most likely exhibit some wear on either of those two locations.

your coin shows nearly full detail on the orb and His moustache could be the product of weakness and very slight circulation .

I think that the coin is being minimized for grade at g/XF
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Metalman,
Thanks for being such a positive advocate! I'm a little familar with KGV grading, but I can sure use more expertise.
Was Eigners referring to the KGV portrait on Aussie coins or NZ? I ask because the KGV portrait on NZ coins is larger, with more distinct crown and facial details. Wear and grade might not directly correlate between the two portrait styles. I'm going to hold off on a decisive grade until I know more about this portrait style. Thanks!
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of course Eigner is all about australian coinage in his guide but the same obverse is used in his guide which should allow the same criteria to be applied .


its possible that this criteria may not crossover in its entirety , and like I said I have a terrible and self inflicted lack of authority with these coins .

I just wanted to share what I was seeing on the coin .

while the bust maybe a bit larger on the NZ examples the high points (I think ) would still be the same and wear or circulation evidence is a constant on all coinage first affecting the high points .

my comments are personal opinion but I think the coin is being minimized for grade .

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 Posted 09/01/2008  3:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KurtS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Metalman--thanks for all the thought you put in your comments!
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