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Is the human figure on this coin a religious figure (i.e. a saint or a member of the Holy Family)?
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Is the human figure on this coin a religious figure (i.e. a saint or a member of the Holy Family)?


No, the image is not overtly religious. I will say that some references ascribe a religious meaning to the image.
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but helpful. That rules out some coins listed as OJ followed by dated ones in the early 1500s (mariengroschen, mathiasgroschen of Goslar). Also rules out the many types with bishops, etc.

It leaves coins like this as an option
http://www.saurma.info/1/1620.htm (edit: I do not see earlier undated examples in Saurma)
http://www.saurma.info/1/1774.htm (edit: I do not see later dated examples)
http://www.saurma.info/1/1567.htm (Saurma#1567 is undated. There are later groschen with dates, but also different designs)
http://www.saurma.info/1/2901.htm although Lithuania would not normally be thought of as a city state

maybe this? http://www.saurma.info/1/1761.htm (undated stuber Saurma #1761, dated stubers #1764, 1768...)

There may be others... Quick research over the first cup of coffee.



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OK. There are coins of Magdeburg going way back that show a "maid" atop a building that is either a city gate or a castle.
http://www.saurma.info/g/s270.htm

And coins of Ostfriesland bearing a harpy obverse and also span undated and dated examples.
http://www.saurma.info/g/s220.htm

There are types of Julich-Berg which have a bust above a coat of arms, but it is not clear to me that the same denomination showing a human figure was made without date, and later with date http://www.saurma.info/g/s194.htm

There are the Lithuanian half groats which are dateless before 1509, and dated thereafter, but Lithuania is not normally thought of as a city-state (never a fiefdom of the Holy Roman Empire), and I don't think this image of a knight is potentially ambiguous with respect to religious symbolism (at least without a serpent or dragon under its feet). The maid or the harpy might be.

Lastly, I also wondered if it could be an early wildman coin of Brunswick-Wolfenbuttel, but I could not find any examples before the mid-1500s.

So, now that I've blathered on about my thought process, andsince it's gotten kinda quiet, I will ask: Is this a coin of either Magdeburg or Ostfriesland?
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I'm so lost on this round. Good luck guys.
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12. Is this a coin of either Magdeburg or Ostfriesland?


No. You are too far North.
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listed as OJ followed by dated ones in the early 1500s


Just to be super clear: In Saurma, the dated coins in the correct section are listed first (making it seem to me like it was then thought that my coin was minted in the 1500s).
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Is this coin a Heller?
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Trying to pick up where TDZ left off. Its kind of confusing, because the OJ coins may appear "after coins from the 1500's" based on the category you view.

Regardless, I looked through the "Human Figure" categories, excluding Saints and Named Individuals. I see possibilities in the following categories:

Hand
Crowned Facing Head
Head Left Mitered Facing Head

There were a number of other possibilities, but they all featured religious figures or themes. Then it occurred to me that Spence would likely view his coin in the catalog by denomination or location.

At this point, I am leaning towards it being a handheller.

Edit: It looks like Keith has similar thoughts.

Edit 2. My next hunch would be a pfennig.

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Yes
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Is it a Handheller?
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Is it a Handheller?


Yes.
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I was about ready to give up on this round. But then I thought to myself.

Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor. H--- No.
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Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?



20-Questions!-Forum-Game

Just kidding of course. You still have a real question #15.
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