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Uncirculated Lincolns From Bank/Mint?

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 Posted 09/05/2008  9:45 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add RD4 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Does anyone know how or where to get large quantities of new uncirculated Lincoln cents. The U.S. mint won't sell them to the public, I've tried several banks and they say they can't order them. And yet when I called the Federal Reserve Bank in Philadelphia they said they delivery them in large bank bags to banks every day. Also, several people are selling $25 sealed rolls on ebay - - and I've had to pay twice face value! They must be getting them from somewhere! I'm looking for large quantities.
Any insights would be appreciated.
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Pretty sure can can still buy bags from the Fed, but they're $2000 face.

Contact your local supermarket and see if they can give you the contact info of the armored carriers, who will charge you a premium to sell you a bunch.

Then ask yourself why a collector needs more than one of a coin. People who hoard large quantities of coins give collectors a bad name.
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what do you consider a large quantity?

I've gotten a few full boxes lately but they are the type of box without the peek-holes in them and I have to open them to see whats inside.....then they don't sell for top dollar on ebay because the box is open.

I have about a box & a half right now that I don't know what to do with....
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 Posted 09/05/2008  11:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silver Eagle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You can purchase new from the mint, the FED will only supply banks and armored car services.
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Banks are reluctant to part with these, I have a VERY hard time getting any of my area banks to 'sell' me rolls of coins. The best luck I have is grocery stores and mini-markets with those dispensing machines behind the counter. However, it's usually pot luck. They always have rolls wrapped by carriers like Brinks. I keep a close eye on my change when I buy stuff. If I see all new MS coins, I'll ask if they will trade me a roll for cash. The last time I did that the woman working gladly gave me two shotgun rolls of OBW 2006 Lincolns for a buck. However, most of the time I get rolls they are just circulated junk recycled by Brinks. But every once in a while you hit the jackpot.
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 Posted 09/06/2008  12:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add daviscfad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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You can purchase new from the mint, the FED will only supply banks and armored car services.
I hadn't seen Pennies on sale from the mint

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Does anyone know how or where to get large quantities of new uncirculated Lincoln cents.


YOur just gonna have to try other banks and grocery stores Walmart


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Also, several people are selling $25 sealed rolls on ebay - - and I've had to pay twice face value! They must be getting them from somewhere! I'm looking for large quantities.

They are getting them from local banks at face value! Some banks get them others dont. depends on your area and things like that. As far as you paying double over face..... I know people are doing "AND YOU DO WHAT YOU WANT" But I dont think that is a smart investment... I think that is an ebay fly by night! People see people buying it over face so they figure its something to it but I personally wouldn't be paying 50 dollars for a box of Zinclons happy Findings
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Armored car services and a handful of VERY large banks get bags from the Fed. They then bear the cost of transporting these half-ton bags to where they can be handled and broken down. We're talking forklifts and semis.

The next step is wrapping them. This will only take a day if you happen to have a $10,000+ Cummins Jetsort handy.

So you now have the cost of the transportation, warehouse space, labor, wrappers, maintenance and electric on the machine, and heavy duty boxes to put them in. Then there's the cost of getting them to the bank or supermarket that needs them, under armed guard.

Which explains why no one is interested in supplying individuals with quantities of cents at face value, and why they purposely mix them with used cents to discourage hoarding. They are in the business of providing for the needs of commerce, not helping speculators make money.
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"Daviscfad", You are right, I figured the mint may sell them in bags, but they don't.

When I worked as a commercial teller, we used to get new coins all the time in our shipment from Brinks. RD4 - go to a large bank and ask the commercial teller to save you a box or rolls of new pennies next time they get them in stock. It should not be a problem.
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Thanks for the input everyone...wide variety of opinions :-)...I've tried four banks with no luck. Will now try more and several stores. To those that think I'm wrong or nuts for doing this...if your great grandfather had done the same with 1909s and left in a safe with note saying, "do not open until 2009" wouldn't you be a happy camper now? :-)
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 Posted 09/06/2008  12:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add daviscfad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well thats all that matters! Collect what you like! But me throwing my opinion again The mint only made 484,000 1909s Vdb's And you got way more collectors trying to fill a Lincoln album than that amount thats why they are worth so much... I cant find the minatage figures on the 2008 LMC's but I am sure they are in the high millions or low billions
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People who hoard large quantities of coins give collectors a bad name.



I have a hoard of wheat cents that is probably pushing 60,000 coins and my Memorials forget about it rolls by the box load ,what exactly is the bad name that I am giving to collectors ?

This is the first time I have heard anything about hoarding causing collectors to have a bad reputation .





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with Eaglefoot's

Considering how many people just throw their cents away, I would think a hoarder at least has some love for the cents they keep. I am almost willing to wager that more cents are "trashed" than are kept in collector hoards.
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This is the first time I have heard anything about hoarding causing collectors to have a bad reputation .

That's because those who don't remember history are condemned to repeat it.

If every person in the US saved a 1964 cent, there still would have been six billion left for the purpose for which they were made. Instead hoarders were saving bags or even hundreds of bags. These people, labeled "collectors" by an ignorant media, were blamed for the largest coin shortage in history.

How bad did this reputation go? To the point where for punishment, the mint quit making proof sets (like 20 million coins out of 11 billion was going to create a shortage) for three years. They doubled the price on the crappy SMS, and raised it another 25% when they started making proofs again.

It wasn't just the cents. They made as many nickels as they had IN TOTAL since the end of WWII, and they all ended up in hoarder's basements.

And it was all hoarders with the same "if grandpa had only done this" idea.

Fast forward 30 years to 1994. Let's say you managed to hoard $5000 in cents, more than all the SVDBs in the world. What did you have?

A basement with $5000 in cents in it. Assuming you didn't move in 30 years, which is unlikely. If you moved, you had the work and expense of moving them an average of six times. Assuming they didn't get stolen from you or lost completely in a flood or a fire.

After hiring a truck to take them to the bank (if you can find a bank that even wants that many), you can pay to have the floor torn up and repoured, since it wasn't designed to have tons of copper on top of it.

Meanwhile, you lost the chance to invest that $5000 and earn interest on it for 30 years. Back in 1980, you could have bought utility bonds and earned $850 a year for 20 years. Even a savings account would have paid you $15,000 in interest.

And let's say by some miracle they went up to ten times their value after expenses. You'd have $45,000, enough to put junior thru one year at Duke.

But let's say grandpa did buy all the SVDBs, which we know would never have been allowed. They'd prolly be available today for $50, unc. Look at the 31s. Most of them were saved. Not even twice as plentiful as the SVDB, but there are a dozen cents worth more, with mintages many times higher.

There's also the little problem with what you would do if you had a bunch of coins like that. I can't think of a common date cent I've sold 50 of as singles in the last 20 years, and you've got 50,000, or a 20,000 year supply. Try selling a bag of wheats one at a time. So you're not going to be greeted with open arms at your local coin shop.

So forget this nonsense. If you want to fill your basement with scrap metal, go for it, but don't kid yourself into thinking you're investing in coins.

If you want to speculate in coins, buy something that's already scarce and will only get scarcer.


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i cant find the minatage figures on the 2008 LMC's but I am sure they are in the high millions or low billions

More like ten billions. Enough for a couple for everyone on the planet.
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How many mint state coins from the 18th and 19th century would there be if someone did not hoard them ?

How many mint state morgans would there be right now if actually the banks had not hoarded bags upon bags of them and then release them through the 60"s and if the truth be known destroyed the market on several dates .

The fact is that we have the coins in the condition that we have today because someone pulled them from circulation or from mint bags and hoarded them .

coin hoards have been the source of many of the best coins on the market and continue to be ,,as these old collectors die off there coins hit the market place and are bought by the one at a time collectors .

its all relative and it all works together as collectors hoarders and singles collectors alike .
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How many mint state coins from the 18th and 19th century would there be if someone did not hoard them ?

Very, very few of such coins are the result of hoards.


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How many mint state morgans would there be right now if actually the banks had not hoarded bags upon bags of them and then release them through the 60"s and if the truth be known destroyed the market on several dates .

The banks didn't hoard them. They couldn't get rid of them. Up until the last three million or so, anyone who wanted a bag of BU dollars only had to ask. And that was after melting down millions of them that no one wanted.

So how profitable was this hoarding? After holding them for 60-80 years, paying insurance, storage charges and doing paperwork on them for that long, they sold them for face value! There had always been more than enough to meet any collector need, just as there are more than enough current Lincolns. So why lose interest for 80 years on a basement full of them?


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The fact is that we have the coins in the condition that we have today because someone pulled them from circulation or from mint bags and hoarded them .

They were held in onesies and twosies by collectors, not "large quantities" of the same coin by hoarders.


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coin hoards have been the source of many of the best coins on the market and continue to be ,,as these old collectors die off there coins hit the market place and are bought by the one at a time collectors .

An argument I'd accept if it weren't for the fact that these hoards might amount to a roll or two of coins, not tens of thousands of the same date.

its all relative and it all works together as collectors hoarders and singles collectors alike .
Old baseball cards are valuable because kids carried the best ones (their heroes) around in their pockets until they were trashed. Today, they're making 100 times as many and they're all held in unopened boxes. Thirty year old cards today are still mostly worthless, and this isn't likely to change until most of them get landfilled.

A final thought: Prices didn't fall on ebay because suddenly hoards of stuff came out. They fell because millions of people with one or two of an item got them out of storage and sold them.
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