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I am very curious to know, IF the phenomenon is caused by Greased filled dies, being the device is so small, can anyone estimate how many coins may be effected, without any, or very little evidence present of the dots ?
Dan
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No telling Dan. I never thought such an odd cent would have created this much buzz.
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There's no guarantee that all missing dots stem from the same cause.
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Mike, that would really be an odd one. All 3 dots missing with separate reasons and no other damage.
I propose that the engraver failed to add the dots to the die. They ran some until the mistake was discovered, then it was corrected.
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That still wouldn't explain the presence of shallow circular depressions where the dots should be located.
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Silly late night musing. Since the dots are in the right places, more or less, but incuse, it stands to reason that the holes in the die were filled with something that came up on the die a little.
So public hates the whole VDB thing on the back, and someone at the mint gets the bright idea that it could merely be toned down a little by erasing the dots and maybe that'd be enough. They glue or solder or whatever the holes in the die to remove the dots, and do so just a little more than needed and you get slightly incuse dots.
Pretty far fetched but I bet they did try and think of whatever various fixes could be had once the whole VDB thing became a problem.
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Any chance anyone could get someone to do a 3-D image of the surface of the dots?
This might at least answer incuse, raised or damage.
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I've been looking for other examples of 1909 one cent coins, and ran across the following. Would PCGS really grade a coin "MS64 RB" with that much copper oxide present ? Dan    |
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Mike, I was primarily referring to those coins, if found to actually exist without dots.
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Mr. Diamond sent me the PDF on the article he wrote on the dotless VDB. An interesting read. Thank you Mr. Diamond for your interest in my cent.
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Nice. There do seem to be faint sunken circles next to the D and the B, at the very least.
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Just an observation . On TB's example I noticed that the die flow lines continued through the space where the dots are missing. My coin has one dot barely showing and is apparently Struck Through Grease. What I noticed is the die flow lines continue through the material that clogs the dot. Just illustrating a characteristic of a filled dot.  |
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Die flow lines are serious on my coin. Hope that helps figure this out, but just posted the coin for additional info as I do not know what is going on here.
I won't be posting more coins for a bit as I am now back to work and away from home.
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A plug of grease should interrupt the die flow lines. So I'm skeptical that this is the explanation.
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