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1909 P VDB LWC No Dots In VDB

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 Posted 09/19/2019  2:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Panther to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes I agree.
It's a mystery to me. One time I look I see no indications of dots, then I can imagine where the dots may have been. The only thing I can't reconcile is all 3 dots gone with no trace evidence.
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 Posted 09/19/2019  2:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Panther to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yokozuna;

In you animation photo of my coin, what is your opinion ?

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 Posted 09/19/2019  4:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Yokozuna to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Panther asked...


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Yokozuna;

In your animation photo of my coin, what is your opinion ?

Dan

I think I see the indention better when I view the animation, but it could be adding a touch of self induced Pareidolia to the situation. The areas I see on your coin correspond well to the size of the missing dots, where as the indentions on Jim0815's coin seem much larger.

As it turns out, I have a Mint State 1909 V.B D with a single period after the V. The photos I have don't show the detail needed, but here's a quick detail of a much larger regular DSLR shot. I'll be working on a detail with my digital microscope as soon a finish with this post.
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ANA ID: 3203813 - CONECA ID: N-5637 Clean a coin that may be worth collecting? Please DON'T! When in doubt, leave it dirty!!
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 Posted 09/19/2019  6:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Yokozuna to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is the best I can do with a slabbed coin and my digital microscope. The thickness of the plastic interferes with the first stage of focus.
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 Posted 09/22/2019  7:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sign of Omega to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have just recently run across the same issue as is being discussed. No visible dots between the VDB.


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 Posted 09/23/2019  9:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hfjacinto to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This thread made me look at my 1909 VDB and guess what? Yep I have no dots either and mine is a MS one.. WEIRD. My 1909 S VDB has dots though.
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 Posted 09/24/2019  03:21 am  Show Profile   Check tropicalbats's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add tropicalbats to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Need to wait for the article to come out to understand the known stuff. Then wait for more of these on high-grade coins to show up and get photographed. It's a really interesting bit, but lots of UNC 1909 VDB coins out there to help figure it out.

If it's a something, great that Jim figured it out, as he's an awesome dude.
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 Posted 09/24/2019  07:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mikediamond to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just to let you know, the article comes out in this Saturday's online edition of Coin World (print issue to follow). And just to let you down, I wasn't able to select among the multiple working hypotheses that I entertained. Perhaps, as Tropicalbats says, the accumulation of more high-grade specimens might eventually break the impasse.
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 Posted 09/24/2019  08:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jim0815 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks tropicalbats for the compliment my friend! Mr. Diamond, I look forward to reading the article! Mine maybe the first to have been so closely scrutinized, I just hope it's not the last so we can one day know for sure what caused it.
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 Posted 09/24/2019  10:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hfjacinto to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here is my 1909 VDB no dots.


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And my 19091 S which does have dots.


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 Posted 09/24/2019  11:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mikediamond to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Any subtle circular depressions on your no-dots specimen when viewed under a microscope?
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 Posted 09/24/2019  11:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hfjacinto to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Mike,

There are tiny circular impressions when viewed with a 20 power binocular microscope, but there no dots.
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 Posted 09/24/2019  12:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nick10 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My guess is a mint worker thought the dots were die defects and polished them out.
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 Posted 09/24/2019  12:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mikediamond to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
hfjacinto, are the "impressions" raised or sunken?
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 Posted 09/24/2019  12:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hfjacinto to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Mike,

I can't tell, I can almost make out a semi circle where the dots should be but there are no dots or depressions that I can see.
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