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Bedrock of the Community
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Quote: Someone on YT posted a comment saying that 2/3 of submissions are coming back 70's. Don't know where he got that number from but seems a bit early in the game to have that sort of info. To those familiar with grading, is this something that can be confirmed? It's never as high as the numbers show. The bulk submitters will put 70 as a minimum grade and actually anyone can do that with PCGS if you're not having the COA graded as well, regular submitters will just pay the fee whether it slabs or not.
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Valued Member
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That's kind of miss leading/scamish imo, the one that says "COA 1-100," it's just another box..unless the seller knows something we don't.
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i think the seller is trying to make his sale exciting. The description written is not false at all...It is true that any of the unopened boxes could have the COA from 1-100. but only the one who opens it will know.
the price appears to be fair to what their selling for $1,000 starting bid
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Pillar of the Community
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@calradix-are you referring to his disclaimer about possibly having a 1-100 COA? That's one way to make your listing stand out from the rest. Unless everyone starts copying him.
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yes, I see that is the only one with that on the description. I mean the seller is bold and we all know...fortune favors the bold.
I agree with you, it appears that the seller wants to be at the top of the list.
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CCF Master Historian of USA Commemoratives
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Quote: Someone on YT posted a comment saying that 2/3 of submissions are coming back 70's. Don't know where he got that number from but seems a bit early in the game to have that sort of info. To those familiar with grading, is this something that can be confirmed? As a point of comparison, here are the current PCGS grading statistics for the 2019-W Enhanced Reverse Proof ASE: 70: 12,941 (~93.69%) 69: 868 (~6.28%) 68: 3 (~0.02%) Based on these numbers, 2 of 3 2019-S ERP ASEs getting grades of 70 doesn't seem far fetched - it actually seems low.
Collecting history one coin or medal at a time! (c) commems. All rights reserved.
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its a bit early to tell, but there was the baltimore show and they had to of graded at least a few hundred there I think. There's no way the grading companies have a proper sampling size to draw a conclusion like that off of yet. Possible the majority of them are 70s though. it's 30K done at a mint that strikes proofs for a living, and probably done on machines in a way that the dies don't see much wear before they finished, like using all 20 presses to do this run and 20 die sets. that would be like 1,500 coins per pair. Anyways, who knows what they did but I think its' a little early to gauge how many will be 70s. I don't need to imagine just looked up PCGS, they have 54 PR69s. and 87 PR70s showing. As usual, I can never find anything I'm looking for on NGC census. But it's not even 1% of the population but if that holds true he might be right, HOWEVER it's my guess most if not all of those numbers are from the Baltimore show and from ebay listings those coins were all in the 6000-8000 number range. It's too early to confirm that, but to be honest, there's no reason for them to abuse the dies, that mint always does proofs, and it's very very possible the majority will be PR70s. They all should be either 69 or 70 really. The 2019W ERP from the pride of 2 nations set was PR70 heavy also. Proofs generally are barely under 50/50 or above that since like 2012. the 1980s-2000 eagles usually had low PR70 turnout. And why that 1995W PR70 is worth like $16,000 anyway a bit off topic I guess. No, it's too early to really tell the breakdown of 70s vs 69s. But I would suspect that he could be right. the W from the Pride of two nations set did that most newer year proofs have done that also. What should be extremely rare is a PR68 LOL.
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Quote: As a point of comparison, here are the current PCGS grading statistics for the 2019-W Enhanced Reverse Proof ASE: 70: 12,941 (~93.69%) 69: 868 (~6.28%) 68: 3 (~0.02%) Based on these numbers, 2 of 3 2019-S ERP ASEs getting grades of 70 doesn't seem far fetched - it actually seems low. So only approximately 14,000 coins have been graded?
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Pillar of the Community
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Seeing how this page had grown and evolved... and all the excitements about this release. ===> Good traffic to our website. ===> Good PR to the hobby. ===> Good experience to the fortunate few AND those not so happy like me.
I couldn't get the coin on the release date, missed the time on Friday (keep thinking 9AM EST), waked up at 4:30AM PST and missed it, tried again on Sunday and didn't get it....
So, now I'm pretending that the coin doesn't exist. I will have to patiently wait for the dust to settle and wait for luck to come back.
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Bedrock of the Community
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Quote:As a point of comparison, here are the current PCGS grading statistics for the 2019-W Enhanced Reverse Proof ASE: 70: 12,941 (~93.69%) 69: 868 (~6.28%) 68: 3 (~0.02%) Based on these numbers, 2 of 3 2019-S ERP ASEs getting grades of 70 doesn't seem far fetched - it actually seems low. That's only because bulk submitters put 70 as the minimum grade. Anything that isn't a 70 doesn't get graded and doesn't get counted in the population report. Bulk submitters submit the overwhelming majority if ASEs, they literally send in pallets of monster boxes for grading. It could have taken 20k coins to get those 13k 70s or it could have taken 50k, no one knows but the big boys and PCGS. None of them have anywhere remotely close to a 90 percent 70s rate.
Edited by basebal21 11/20/2019 5:20 pm
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Pillar of the Community
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Quote: It's probably going to come and I'm gonna just let it sit there in the box on the table for a month on what to do..... I'm in the sane boat. It'll look lovely next to my unopened RCM Pride of Two Nations box.
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Pillar of the Community
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Hey ...trying to come back after a long hiatus. Just thought there was no way that 14,000 ERP's have already been submitted to one TPG AND graded already. . Hardly ANY have been received by buyers yet...and..as expected...not even close Other than the Baltimore show subs there was only one graded so far 
Edited by Foxwoods Man 11/20/2019 5:55 pm
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So I guess if only .02% are graded at 68 but 94% grade at 70 then the 68s are much more rare and thus more sought after. I finally figured this hobby out!!
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