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Valued Member
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Greetings all...simple question....the DECLARED VALUE of a coin being submitted for grading....Just make a guess based on condition bounced against PCGS Price Guide, and professional auction/sales sites for market value comparisons? Is that a fair statement/method? Anything to avoid/be aware of other than what the Form says to do? Any input would be welcome from the CC Submissions brain trust.  Thanks.
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Pillar of the Community
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That's what I do. I guess the grade and use the price 1 higher. If the coin is lost in the mail on it's way to the TPG, the declared value is the most you can receive (and it's also the basis of the insurance charge). On the way back, the TPG knows the grade and can properly value the return shipment for insurance purposes (even if they are self insured). They charge you for s/h based on this.
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Valued Member
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It is necessary to have a value for insurance purposes during the mailing portions of the submission. On the other hand, what about determining the value as to the different tiers for the TPG's grading services. Should this be a retail value? Or a wholesale value?
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Bedrock of the Community
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Quote:On the other hand, what about determining the value as to the different tiers for the TPG's grading services. Should this be a retail value? Or a wholesale value? The value you put is the same for everything. Whatever your declared value is determines the eligible tiers you can use. That declared value is the maximum you can get if something happens at any point. PCGS generally won't ding you if you put 300 for a 500ish coin to get it into economy, but if something happens you won't get a penny over what you put and no one will have sympathy but don't try and put 4 figure coins into it or gold ect. Any insurance claim for USPS if it's lost going there will basically require a copy of your submission form so you need to make sure everything matches or they'll reject your insurance claim if the numbers don't add up
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Valued Member
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Yes. Understood all. I know it's for insurance calculations, but just getting the value right, especially if you don't have years of experience at it, can be tricky. What I mean is, what if a coin is worth way more because the sender had no idea the coin had a defining feature(s) that made it a much higher premium? Plus any other honest miscalculations. And...if lost, you get the declared value, period. Matters not if worth way more as basebal21 noted. Well, if it's lost you will never know anyway. I like answering my own questions. But as you guys generally confirmed....look it over, do your homework, use the price guides/comparative market sale prices, make the best guess at grade and subsequent value, and I agree.....go one level higher to provide a cushion and proper Fee level chosen. Bottom line though....loss or something of that nature is going to be rare. Especially with Registered Mail. That is the USPS's Holy Grail service, and it is well controlled. Of course it could get lost in the PCGS process, but I have to think that is their #1 sin, for their people to misplace or lose a clients coinage. Not a good job security move. So...appreciate the input. No worries. I will start filling out the form(s) accordingly, and the grading adventure begins. Thx all. 
Edited by BuyGuns 12/12/2019 7:24 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
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Quote: What I mean is, what if a coin is worth way more because the sender had no idea the coin had a defining feature(s) that made it a much higher premium? If you ever do get a true windfall such as something going FS/FBL or an extra point higher than expected with a huge price jump etc, you can contact them when you see the grades pop and pay to have the insurance upped for the return shipping. Quote: Of course it could get lost in the PCGS process, but I have to think that is their #1 sin, for their people to misplace or lose a clients coinage. It's basically impossible for them to actually lose lose a submission once they have it. They have cameras everywhere and keep them in a vault when they aren't being graded or slabbed which have cameras in the room. About the only chance for an actual lost on their part would be an extremely unlikely shipping error and they would be able to back trace it to who it went to so that person would have to be pretty dumb to try and keep it unless they enjoy being sued and possible criminal charges lol.
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Quote 1....Got it basebal21...good to know that first point you made. But to make sure I am understanding this, are you saying there is a way to see the Grade(s) awarded before they are mailed back ("when you see the grades pop")? Meaning they grade it at say MS-67, but I annotated a much lower declared value, and the premium jumped significantly. I can see that information on their website? Or they notify you? Maybe I need to monitor my submissions via my PCGS account as it is my responsibility? Or something like that, and then I pay to upgrade the insurance prior to shipping back to me? (Or maybe I should just stop bothering you folks, and go read their policies and find out myself. Lol. Actually I did, but did not see what I am asking for, save the check price guides and auction/sales sites for comparative sales. They did say that) So, I would think if it is significant value increase (and I am sure that has happened quite a bit over the years), they would contact you as a courtesy to protect your investment. Good business practice IMO. I also would think that if you chose a service Tier, such as ECONOMY at $16...with a $300 value limit for the coin, and it gets graded high, and ends up being valued at a minimum of say $1000 per PCGS price guides...then they would need an additional payment for the higher Tier that should have been chosen. Say $35 with $3000 max value. Is all that babble I just stated, correct? Quote 2...Yes, all that makes 100% sense. It's really like a bank. Lots of 'treasure' floating around and handled all day. And very small treasures that can easily be lifted without tight security. Nothing personal against the TPG's but it's just business. Heck, I would welcome the security as a TPG, in order to not get accused of anything. OK...thx thus far for the attention to my questions. Much appreciated.
Edited by BuyGuns 12/13/2019 04:09 am
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Bedrock of the Community
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Quote: But to make sure I am understanding this, are you saying there is a way to see the Grade(s) awarded before they are mailed back ("when you see the grades pop")? Meaning they grade it at say MS-67, but I annotated a much lower declared value, and the premium jumped significantly. I can see that information on their website? Or they notify you? Maybe I need to monitor my submissions via my PCGS account as it is my responsibility? Or something like that, and then I pay to upgrade the insurance prior to shipping back to me? They may contact you if the discrepancy in value is big enough, but you can see the grades in your account on the website when the grades are finalized. Sometimes they'll ship same day if the grades pop early, but if they pop late they usually ship the next day. Either way though you can see the grades before it's out the door. They have a smart phone app too that if you login to your account on there it will give you notifications like order received, grades ready, shipped. You can see the different stages on the website and the app as well such as received, grading, being imaged if applicable, encapsulation, quality check, shipped. Quote: I also would think that if you chose a service Tier, such as ECONOMY at $16...with a $300 value limit for the coin, and it gets graded high, and ends up being valued at a minimum of say $1000 per PCGS price guides...then they would need an additional payment for the higher Tier that should have been chosen. Say $35 with $3000 max value. They generally give some leeway on that for collector submitters (unlike some of the other TPGs) unless they think you're trying to sneak something past them or put gold in a tier that gold cannot be used in. If it is a big enough difference though they will want to charge for the right tier. Quote:Quote 2...Yes, all that makes 100% sense. It's really like a bank. Lots of 'treasure' floating around and handled all day. And very small treasures that can easily be lifted without tight security. Nothing personal against the TPG's but it's just business. Heck, I would welcome the security as a TPG, in order to not get accused of anything. OK...thx thus far for the attention to my questions. Much appreciated. Exactly, it's much like a casino. The cameras and everything else protect you and it's in their best interest as well to have that for when someone accuses them of something it's all on video.
Edited by basebal21 12/13/2019 4:21 pm
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