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ID Helpings For 3 Coins Pls (Id: Greek Tetradrachm, 12th Century Byzantine Electrum Aspron Trachy)

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 Posted 10/14/2008  3:28 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add byzantine to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
hi all

i need some experience about a greek and two byzantine coins.

roman coin is an alexandre III but I don't know where it minted and what is the meaning of monogram under the throne ? (1)


and lastly I couldnt find this byzantine coin in archive. (3)


ID-Helpings-For-3-Coins-Pls-Id:-Greek-Tetradrachm,-12th-Century-Byzantine-Electrum-Aspron-Trachy

ID-Helpings-For-3-Coins-Pls-Id:-Greek-Tetradrachm,-12th-Century-Byzantine-Electrum-Aspron-Trachy

ID-Helpings-For-3-Coins-Pls-Id:-Greek-Tetradrachm,-12th-Century-Byzantine-Electrum-Aspron-Trachy

ID-Helpings-For-3-Coins-Pls-Id:-Greek-Tetradrachm,-12th-Century-Byzantine-Electrum-Aspron-Trachy

ID-Helpings-For-3-Coins-Pls-Id:-Greek-Tetradrachm,-12th-Century-Byzantine-Electrum-Aspron-Trachy

ID-Helpings-For-3-Coins-Pls-Id:-Greek-Tetradrachm,-12th-Century-Byzantine-Electrum-Aspron-Trachy

ID-Helpings-For-3-Coins-Pls-Id:-Greek-Tetradrachm,-12th-Century-Byzantine-Electrum-Aspron-Trachy
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 Posted 10/14/2008  6:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Coin #2 Looks like an Electrum aspron trachy of John II (Comnenus) 1118-1143, Sear# 1941.

Coin #3 is a AV Hyperpyron of Andronicus II and Michael IX 1295-1320 Sear# 2396.Bust of the Virgin Mary within the city walls. Christ in the center with Andronicus on the left and Michael on the right.
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great coins
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 Posted 10/15/2008  02:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add byzantine to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
thanks lisa and echizento.
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anybody have an idea about Alexandre coin's monogram ?
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I've checked several sources but have not being able to find an Alexander Tetradrachm with that particular marking.
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it's a good news for me.
Thanks very much echizento
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Just to clarify for anyone unfamiliar with ancients: this coin (the one in the top pic and bottom two pics) isn't actually Roman, it's Greek; Alexander III is perhaps better known as Alexander the Great, king of Macedonia and conqueror of much of the ancient world.

The coinage of Alexander the Great was one of the first great "imperial" coinages, in the sense that coins of this same design were issued at dozens of mints scattered throughout the empire, with the mint and sometimes the date of issue distinguished by an astonishingly complex system of mintmarks, symbols and monograms. I'm not aware of an absolutely comprehensive website to go to for a list of mintmarks on these coins; random searching is the best one can do.

I did find this one, struck in Parion (now in northwestern Turkey) which has both the monogram (which I would interpret as "I A I") and the curious asymmetry to the ornamentation on the back of the throne. However, it also has an additional mintmark, a bull.

Here's another; this one's from Sardis, in what is now western Turkey. It isn't as close a match; it has the IAI mark but also a star, and the throne lacks any upper ornamentation.

Just to confirm: how large and/or heavy is this coin? We're all assuming it's a tetradrachm, because those are the most common coin, but it could be a smaller denomination. Some aspects of the design, such as the throne-top ornamentation, look a bit too crude for a tetradrachm.
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 Posted 10/16/2008  11:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The two coins that Sap reference do match the monogram but not the mints so as to where these were minted is still unknown. Another interesting point is when they were minted while Alexander was alive or after his death. Wayne Sayles in one of his books make reference to Lifetime and Posthumous issues. Those of the lifetime issue are believe to be seem as Zeus legs in a parallel arrangement. While the posthumous issues are with Zeus legs crossed. This coin would appear to be from Alexanders lifetime.
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Thanks a lot Sap
you re right, I'm correcting it now.
it is a tetradrachm, (24~26 mm I havent got a weighing machine but I guess nearly 17 g)
this coins have got same mint marks. but on my coin zeus has got a different foot position (right foot in front of left foot) and my herakles older than sardes mint's herakles.
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 Posted 10/16/2008  6:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add byzantine to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
echizento so can we say if zeus's right foot is in front of his left foot it was minted while alexandre was alive ?
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Sap:
Thanks for the info.
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