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 Posted 10/18/2008  3:13 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add samylishous to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Was $1,780 too much to pay for 20 St. Gaudens coins? They are grade 63. Did I get caught up in the non-comfiscatable scare? They have an angel on one side and an eagle on the other? Thank you for your replies. I thought it was an angel on one side, but you are right, it says Liberty. They were graded by ANA and have dates in the 1920's. They were $1,780 each.

I am not a collector, I am buying coins only because I know the worth of our dollar is going to go down the tubes as we are so far in debt and just continue to print money. Do you think these St. Gaudens are a good way to go? Also, what about pre-1933 Swiss Francs? Does it even matter that much if they are pre-1933? Are St. Gaudens called double eagles even if they have the Liberty image on one side?

P.S. Does anyone know if APMEX is a reputable company? Thanks again for all your help to a poor soul who is new to all this and doesn't seem to know what he is doing.

Must sellers report sales of gold coins if they are made after 1933?
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 Posted 10/18/2008  3:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
to the forum. The only way we could give you an answer is if you can post pictures of the coins.
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 Posted 10/18/2008  3:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SpringCypress to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You paid $1780 each? Or $1780 for 20 which averages to $89 each?

If you paid $1780 average and they're graded MS-63 by a reputable Third Party Grader (like PCGS, NGC, ANACS) then I'd say you did OK. If they aren't graded by a TPG then and paid an average of $1780 then unless you're positive that they're at least MS63s then I'd say you got taken.

If you paid $89 on average I'm willing to bet you got scammed as gold value is around $1000. Anyone who has 20 of these things knows the value of gold and wouldn't be selling them for $89. If they're real then there's a very high liklihood that they're stolen and as such you should report the transaction and the seller to the police.
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 Posted 10/18/2008  4:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
never seen a angel on a st gaudens either but if you are referring to a walking liberty instead of a angel then it could be real I guess. Another thing to consider is what date the coin or coins were, some dates sell for more than others do
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 Posted 10/18/2008  5:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 1sikevo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
$1780 for a common date ASG Double Eagle in MS63 is way above the full retail price.

You can go to APMEX and pick one up for $450 less.

http://www.apmex.com/Product/7223/2...GS_ONLY.aspx
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I'm looking at the link you posted and I see them selling for $1350... As I said before the gold value in these is right around $1000 (33ish grams at $30 per gram).

To someone that isn't a collector I can see how Liberty can be confused with an angel... No harm no foul on that one.
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 Posted 10/19/2008  12:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wow, lots of questions to be answered here.

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Are St. Gaudens called double eagles even if they have the Liberty image on one side?

Yes. In the US decimal system, there are 10 dollars to the eagle, so a "double eagle" has a face value of 2 eagles, or 20 dollars.

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Must sellers report sales of gold coins if they are made after 1933?

I assume you're in the US. From 1933 to 1974, Executive Order 6102 was in effect, banning private ownership of gold. Nowadays there is, as far as I'm aware, no requirement at all to "report" sales of gold, in any form, to anybody.

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Also, what about pre-1933 Swiss Francs? Does it even matter that much if they are pre-1933?

I assume you're talking about gold coins again. Switzerland issued gold coins in numerous denominations (10, 29, 25, 50 and 100 francs) between 1911 and 1959. "1933" has no meaning for non-US gold coins; there is no difference between pre- and post-1933 in the Swiss series.

Many of the 20 franc coins dated 1935 were actually struck during and shortly after World War II, making this date and type the commonest Swiss gold coin, but if the thought of possibly owning a piece of stolen Nazi loot disturbs you, don't buy one.

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Do you think these St. Gaudens are a good way to go?

The price for these coins (and indeed any coin) has two components: a bullion value, which goes up and down with the price of gold, and a collector premium, which goes up and down with collector supply and demand.

You should be aware that "Saints" and other classic American gold coins carry quite a high collector premium above the actual value of the gold they contain. So if all you want to buy is plain "bullion" gold, don't buy classic US coins - buy the modern bullion coins, foreign coins or private rounds instead, as these generally have much lower collector premiums.

The advantage of buying classic US gold coins is that this collector premium means that they will retain some of their value, even if the price of gold collapses.
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 Posted 10/19/2008  10:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add snowman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would say that you overpaid. Here's an ounce of gold for $705 less than you paid:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...photohosting

Even at that price it is well above current spot prices.
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 Posted 10/19/2008  11:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SpringCypress to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So are these eagles or double eagles?

Are they TPG graded or not?

Is the OP even following this thread?
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