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It is likely that we are already in a recession. The stock market has lost trillions in value, banking is a mess, and with the pending failure of a couple of major US auto manufacturers, our unemployment level could go very high. I am retired, with a paid up mortgage, and I will be hurt, but can probably weather this without selling off any of my collection. However, I am putting any additional buying on hold. I was wondering if you are still employed are you worried enough to begin curtailing your coin purchases? I would guess that if the economy goes into a deep, prolonged depression, that our existing collections will be worth a lot less, and much more difficult to sell to raise cash to live on. Is the current situation an opportunity to pick up some coins we need at a bargain price, or is it time to put the collection on a shelf until the economy improves? What is your outlook and how do you think the coin market will fare?
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10/27/2008 5:35 pm
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.. I don't know yet, but I'm trying to sell off most of my replacable coins (Eagles, Krugerrands) as fast as I can because we're in a recession and the demand for EVERYTHING goes down. So in this time, I'm lucky to be in the US and glad to sell my coins for dollars until this blows through.
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 Posted 10/26/2008  10:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DNA to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Every coin shop I've been going to has been jammed with people lately! They've all had to hire new people to handle their extra business (one big dealer has added four new employees in the past 3 months!).

There has been such a huge increase in the last six months in the market for any form of physical gold and silver bullion that the U.S. Mint has had to ration and delay some of their gold and silver bullion coins! Just try to find any physical gold or silver for 'spot' price nowadays....

If I had $50 million dollars worth of gold coins and wanted to sell them, I could sell them all to my local dealers in a couple of hours. (I'm not joking!)

I have personally seen in the last couple of months, customers of shops buying $30K to $100K of gold coins in a single transaction!

Historically, ownership of gold and silver has been of great benefit in times of financial crisis. This is why there's been such an unprecedented "bull run" on physical silver and gold in 2008, even with some big drops in the 'paper' gold/silver futures markets. It is true that manufacturing slowdowns are a valid cause for 'paper' precious metal futures to drop, but most of the recent 'paper' drops were paper futures being sold by stock owners to pay for margin calls when the stock market was taking that big slide downhill !

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Is the current situation an opportunity to pick up some coins we need at a bargain price, or is it time to put the collection on a shelf until the economy improves?

I'd say a little of both: It's a great time to buy any collectible coins containing gold or silver, and keep what you have 'on the shelf'! If gold & silver take off, you won't have to wait for 'the economy' to improve to benefit from owning your coins!

I would also say that collectible coins in general would still be a relatively good investment, but a depression would lower prices of coins that are mostly 'numismatic' value (although they should come back strong after the economy improves).

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10/27/2008 12:26 am
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In other news...

Hey our Australian friends! The RBA will prop up the AUD by buying back over ~2 billion dollars. Hope prices will be going down for you guys soon!
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 Posted 10/27/2008  12:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KurtS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Okie,
I currently live in Silicon Valley, where everyone assumes the economy will somehow continue as before.
While people are supposedly "wealthy" here, my dealer friends whose business comprised perhaps 60% bullion transactions have seen a huge slowdown already. And in two weeks, there will be a local coin show, where I expect more inventory/less traffic. I've always been a frugal collector, so my buying will stay about the same. That's not to say I'm not deeply concerned about the availability of money for business renewal. I'm currently in a product development phase, and I don't know whether I'll see any money--but I won't dismiss the power of optimism. Best wishes to all my friends here.
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Hey, where in Silicon Valley?

I live in Cupertino, and it's basically the same mindset. I mean the houses at still maintaining their $1 million tag, and they were built 50 years ago!
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I recently relocated to Sunnyvale from up North.
Yes, the "google effect" here too--people are blowing crazy money on sticks and stucco, lol. I've seen sales at $800-1000/sqft even over the past few months. However, that may be coming to a close.
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Well, I think my area is mostly buoyed by the school district (I live 3 blocks from Lynbrook). I understand how Asian parents want to stuff their kids into the best schools, so I think that mindset will keep at least this area alive.
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I have ceased buying all coins for now, the stock market seems to have a ton of bargains right now.
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 Posted 10/27/2008  09:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ratio411 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You guys s*ck!

I can't buy anything.

When coin prices are up, I have money, when they
are down, I don't have money. It's been that way
all my life.

By "coin prices", I mean good deals on anything
numismatist related, like precious metals too.
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wd1040:
Hey, you are on Long Island?

Same here, East Meadow, but I lived in Lynbrook years ago.

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I work in the oilfield and our business is booming. I currently live in northern michigan. My company is gonna be sending crews to Wyoming for 28 days at a time. I have not noticed any prices coming down on coins. However I am gettin ready to start buying all I can. Like I said I am not hurting for work now. I just wish everyone else who wanted to could work all they want. I am collectin for the love of coins. I also want to help my kids go to college If they wish. Good luck and my prayers are with all who are having financial hardship now.
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And in two weeks, there will be a local coin show, where I expect more inventory/less traffic
The coin show I went to this weekend was seemed to be less inventory and less traffic.

Based on the dealer directory map, there were some no-shows. Some of the guys I talked to hinted (but never really admitted) that they "packed light" expecting to be taking more back with them (i.e. people selling their things in hard times).

I did notice that junk silver was selling at 10-12 times face. Not sure what they were paying though; I was not lucky enough to witness any of those transactions.
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 Posted 10/27/2008  2:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KurtS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Based on the dealer directory map, there were some no-shows.
At our local show last spring, I recall that a half-dozen smaller dealers went home after the first day. They mostly looked like retirees doing it for supplemental income. However, does anyone know of Anaconda coins? He was the guy selling very nice, high-end toned Morgans etc. He definitely looked on his last legs at that show; I believe he really cut prices to move inventory and may now be gone altogether. Then again, the bullion brokers were very busy, and I'll guess they will be busy again this November--at least buying.
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 Posted 10/27/2008  7:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add onejinx to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I work in the oilfield and our business is booming. I currently live in northern michigan. My company is gonna be sending crews to Wyoming for 28 days at a time.


I live in NH and they are having a Job fair this week for jobs in Wyoming.

Anaconda is no longer in buisness. Adrian and Brandon parted ways. Adrian ran off to Costa Rica. And Anaconda's coins were consigned to Heritage to sell at the Summer FUN auction
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Good luck and my prayers are with all who are having financial hardship now.

Likewise!
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