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bennychka New Member United States 4 Posts	Posted 10/27/2008 11:28 pm 1. Recently I bought Morocco 4 Falus AH1299 (weight 8.7 g. & diameter 29 mm) I identified the coin as C#183.1. It's pretty rare Falus coin. Image: AH1299_1.jpg 52.07 KB Image: AH1299_2.jpg 55.81 KB Now I'm more lining in direction of AH1290 -> C#166.1. I'm attached picture of typical AH1290 ->C#166.1 (coin on red background) from ebay. C#166.1 & C#166.2 are most common Falus coins. Image: AH1290_.jpg 17.14 KB Unfortunately my KM Catalogue doesn't have any picture of C#181-183. May be somebody has such coin? Is design of C#181 -183 different from C#166.1? What are you guys thinking C#166.1 or C#183.1? 2. I like Morocco's 19 century Falus coins, bit me don't know why! But KM Catalogue not very helpful; may be somebody knows another catalogue/book/internet site with more detail information about such coins. Thanks, Benny Report this Post to the Staff

xshift Pillar of the Community United States 2669 Posts	Posted 10/28/2008 4:58 pm A couple are listed here: http://(131231) Not Allowed - Auto-Removed /countries/Morocco.php but I don't see a 1299 listed.. you can also try searching at http://www.coinarchives.com/ Report this Post to the Staff
snowman Pillar of the Community United States 1840 Posts	Posted 10/28/2008 10:37 pm Are you sure that the weight is correct. Your coin is too light for a 4 Falus. Report this Post to the Staff
bennychka New Member United States 4 Posts	Posted 10/29/2008 12:14 am xshift - thanks for the links. snowman Yes, I'm sure, for my mystery AH1299 "4 Falus" weight is 8.7 gr. and diameter 29 mm. Now we moving to another "Falus mystery" 4th edition of KM (2004) is telling us: Morocco "4 Falus" C#166.1&2 weight and size should be 11.54 gr/ 27-29 mm; "2 Falus" C#163a - 5.77 gr/ 22-23 mm. For C#166.1&2 existing note "Underweight 6.00 grams or less with mintnames Fes or Marrakesh or with illegible inscriptions and dates are contemporary forgeries, often with smaller diameters" I got one big lot of Morocco Falus coins, 21 coins from this lot were AH1280-90 coins, plus I had 2 coins of this type before purchasing this lot. So totally I have 23 AH1280-90 coins. 2 of them allegedly were "2 Falus" weight 4.0gr/25mm and 4.8gr/23mm 21 coins allegedly were "4 Falus" weight from 7.0 gr to 11.7 and diameter vary from 27 mm to 30 mm, only two coins were close to weight 11.54 gr and they were big (diameter 30-31 mm) All these 23 coins have different years and slightly different designs. This big lot of Morocco Falus coins was also including few early years falus coins (prior AH1280), which I easily identified. Should I assume that all 21 coins forgeries and only two coins with right weight are "real"? Any opinion? Report this Post to the Staff
Sap Moderator Australia 16867 Posts	Posted 10/29/2008 03:25 am Quote: What are you guys thinking C#166.1 or C#183.1? I'd agree that it's "1290", the extra "tail" on the 0 making it look like a second "9" is part of the inner circle. Quote: Underweight 6.00 grams or less with mintnames Fes or Marrakesh or with illegible inscriptions and dates are contemporary forgeries, often with smaller diameters This phrasing in the catalogue is ambiguously worded... do they mean "a coin weighing less than 6 grams, total weight" or "a coin weighing 6 grams or less below the optimal weight of 11.54 grams". I would tend to lean towards the former interpretation, because too many genuine coins would be disqualified if one took the latter interpretation too literally - after all, 11.53 grams is technically "6 grams or less" below 11.54 grams. Quote: Should I assume that all 21 coins forgeries and only two coins with right weight are "real"? Any opinion? I would say that any coin roughly 4-falus-sized (27-30mm) but weighing less than 6 grams total weight, is fake. Such a large coin weighting so little would have to be very thin, another indication of fakeness. Anything above 6 grams is probably still OK, unless the date and/or mint name are garbled beyond recognition. Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis Report this Post to the Staff
LlacerSBD New Member Spain 40 Posts	Posted 11/01/2008 07:05 am Hello Look this cast mold that I have. I bought this one mold in ebay France by 100€ aprox. Although this very waste, seems that it is of year 1288. For the diameter of each mold, It must be for 4 Falus coins. Best regards Joan Report this Post to the Staff
bennychka New Member United States 4 Posts	Posted 11/04/2008 12:32 am Sap - thanks for the answer. Joan - I first time see such mold, it is really interesting. Do you have bigger picture of this staff? Can you send it to my email bennychka@gmail.com? Report this Post to the Staff
LlacerSBD New Member Spain 40 Posts	Posted 11/05/2008 1:53 pm Hello Benny, Of course, no problem to send you this photo. I like to up on this forum a better images, but I'm not the best to upload photos. Regards Joan Report this Post to the Staff
bennychka New Member United States 4 Posts	Posted 11/07/2008 01:56 am Joan, I got big photo, thanks a lot. It does explain why exist so many different designs for same year coins. Report this Post to the Staff
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