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1881 S Morgan Dollar Grade

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Unsure what to think of this one. It arrived today, the reverse looked amazing in the seller photos and it looks really good but the obverse is a lot worse than I thought, putting it under the camera today I can see lots of chatter and marks. It does have a lot of lustre however, it's hard to make it out in my photos sometimes. It weighs exactly 26.84 grams. Paid £41. What do we think?


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 Posted 06/26/2020  09:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
! would grade this MS-61, and feel you paid too much. Just my opinion.
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 Posted 06/26/2020  09:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TobyJ to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Coinfrog, I feel like I overpaid too. Ah well it happens sometimes. Here are the seller photos, the obverse looks really good on that one. When I was buying this coin I put it at MS64 to MS65 from those photos. What do you think from the seller photos?


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I'd say they were unquestionably deceptive.
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I would request that the seller accept it back. It is certainly not a described (pictured).There are many gorgeous 1881 S Morgans available and this is not one of them.
edit to add - looking at the obverse images side by side I'd say the seller photo-chopped the image...
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I've opened a return, you're all correct, it's like I received a totally different coin. I hate opening return cases but it's got to be done.
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You've made the right decision. Get your money back and move on. Do not leave negative feedback.
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Quote:
it's like I received a totally different coin


It is the same coin in seller's pics. but he/she managed to hide the numerous contact marks by playing with lighting to conceal them. Return is in order.
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MS-61. The seller did a good job hiding all the bag marks in his photos. Always a crap shoot buying coins from photos.
I would return it to the seller if you can.
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Reverse is MS-64, obverse is MS-61. I'll net it out to an MS-62. Seller photos were deceptive.
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Deceptive photography. Four oblique lights, that I can see, were placed to wash over the damage. Don't hate opening a return, hate an unscrupulous seller.
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Sounds like you paid about $50 USD for it which is high for a raw, low MS 1881-S Morgan. It's a coin I would return if possible. If you do get stuck with it's not a total loss because it's worth $30 USD.
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Ask to send it back and if they say no file a claim with ebay but hopefully they will just accept it back
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I've opened a case and we shall see if it is accepted, it's only fair to do so. I don't think I've left negative feedback in my life so I'd only do that if it was absolutely deserved.
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But ... what grade or condition did the seller indicate in the ad?
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