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Okay, here's the setup I use to search through coins. First photo is the scope with one of the boards atop the base of the scope so you can see relative size:  Second image shows the two identcal boards laying next to each other on the pull-out drawer of my home-made desk. I use this pull-out to sit the boards while I load them for searching. I use two boards all the time when searching...I fill one, then use the other to flip the coins. Just lay one on top of the other and flip both over together.  The third image shows some cents laying on the board. Note that a shallow flute has been routed along the center of both boards with a 3/4 inch bit. This allows a 'ditch' the coins sit in so they don't slide off the edge of the board when I tilt it to get a better look at things.  The fourth photo shows the board being used. I just stick it under the scope and slide it from one end to the other looking at the coins rolling by underneath. It takes me about 30 seconds to check a half roll of cents. BTW, the board is just long enough for 26 cents, or 25 with some small spaces between them. 
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If you're observant you've noticed that there are holes drilled into each end of the boards. This is so I can stick wooden pegs through both boards to keep anything from sliding out. It was part of the initial design that I thought might come in handy, but I was wrong. Never used it after the first day.
Another thing - about the spaces - I mentioned that the board would fit 26 cents comfortably, or 25 if I left some small spaces here and there. Well, there's a reason for that. When I decide to just go through a few rolls from the bank without sorting them first, they are mixed date. So I lay out the 1993-date cents on the left leaving a little space. The 1989-1992 cents go next, with a little space to their right. The 1982 zinc through 1988 cents go next, again with a space. The brass cents go last. I do this so I don't have to keep track of the dates on the fronts of the coins so I can look for transitional reverses.
Another thing this is good for...if you are careful laying out the coins on the board and lay them all straight, when you flip the board over to look at the reverse side you'll immediately pick up on any collectible rotated reverses...they will be the really crooked ones when you lift the flipped board off the now-base board.
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Invention is the brain child of necessity. I needed a really fast and good way to look through a lot of coins much faster than I ever had before, so I invented it. I figured it out. I tried new things, and didn't stop until I was satisfied that I had something that could not easily be improved upon.
I started with sorting coins by decade, then pulling each individual date out of those. It's tedious and takes a lot of storage bins. I changed how I did it by sorting the last digit first, and it went a lot faster. I refined it into a regular habit, and I'm now much faster than the average person at sorting coins.
I started with a loupe and a desk lamp. It took well over an hour to half-heartedly go through a single roll of coins. I needed better optics, so I got a scope. Once I got the scope I realized that one of the things that was slowing me down was having to pull my head back, grab a coin, look, pull my head back, grab a coin, look...it was a slow process. I needed a process that would allow me to look faster, and the only way to do that was to prepare more than one coin at a time to look at...that's where the boards came from.
Sit and think of the things you do that are tedious and take a lot of time. Think of ways you can improve the process and start working on them. I didn't pick up a digital camera and start taking expert photos of coins...it took four years, three cameras, and a LOT of this and that household supplies before I figured out the best method of lighting coins to search and to photograph.
Moral to the story is that if what you have is slow and substandard, figure out a way to make it better and faster. It's not rocket science, it's just filling a need with a little ingenuity.
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Quite a set up Charles. Now you have to tear it all down for the trip back to the Ozarks or are you from the lowlands ?
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No, I'm Ozark Hillbilly through and throughout. This is the last time, however, that I will have to tear this down. no more. Once I get back to my house and back to my office, that's the last time I'm unpacking.
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I thought so, Florida, hot, flat and swampy. You can take the man out of the mountains, but you can't take the mountain out of the man.
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Very nice. thank you for the pictures
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well I am a few months from getting a microscope, still dont know whic one i'll get. Any way last night I finished a box of lincolns, I used the 10 cup meathod, then I remembered I had in my closet a juice bottle with about 6 pounds of pre 82 which I sorted out from the last box, which was befor I found out about sorting meathods
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I enjoyed seing Chuck's setup, and the optics he uses. while we don't use the same system, I did use his while doing the coin project. I had just begun checking varieties, and had much to learn, (still do, but it is a bit less, now)! Not to beat a dog when it is down, but I wanted to show my method, and explain the difference. I have not had the time collecting coins, and much less, the time checking for varieties. while Chuck has the young eyes that spot the details easily, but I need a 10X loupe to see the MM, and/or date. Here is my setup. (Please don't qualifty the pictures).   The first two show the dual 20" monitors with a coin on site. Yhis scope is 20X/40X. I use it while the other scope is tied up with the camera. This scope is a Stereo-zoom , ,6-4.5, di-opt with 10X eye pieces, etc.  . <a href=) http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/...MG_0110.jpg" border="0" style='cursor:default' onClick='doimage(this,event)'> I won't say my method is better, because both accomlish the same thing, even to the 26-coin obv/rev orientation sticks are different, but serve the same purpose. The rest of what is seen in the pictures is self-explanitory. Basically an old mans toys VS a young mans toys! Chuck is about half my age, maybe a couple years more, but we enjoy our toys! Hope this jelps, (someone)! Dick 
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The biggest difference is in the sorting, really. And for anyone sorting a large batch of coins at once, the method I use is definitely the fastest. I'd rather face ten tubs where I can toss the coins in by last date digit than face 50 rolls where you have to fit the coin into the tube and be sure you've got the right one every time. I've never tried this method because it looks like a headache waiting to happen, but I'm sure I could sort five rolls using my method in the time it would take me to sort one roll using this method...then there's the matter of overflow. Once you complete filling a tube, what do you do? Take it out and dump it in something? Take it out and put a new tube in its place?
What I do with my ten tubs is sort them by decade (which takes very little time). At that point they are already sorted by year, so I dump the years into ziplock baggies with the year on the outside. The baggie goes into a box in the closet until I'm ready to look through them. Since the baggies are gallon size, I can fit 1000 coins or more into them...which means I can sort up to ten bags of Lincolns non-stop before I have to stop doing that and move to the baggies for searching. It also gives me a HUGE pile of one date at a time to look through, which is very important in picking up on the varieties. Makes them stand out when you've looked through a couple hundred coins of the same year already and are acclimated to the design features.
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This thred is getting very interesting, does everyone sort, then look. Also could you post a pic of the camera scope setup with a coin on the scope
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I always sort before I look, unless the group I have is small (200 coins or less). On small groups it's a waste of time to sort them, since it only takes 30 minutes to look through all of them and sorting them would take another 20 minutes.
For larger groups (usually $25 boxes or $50 bags), I always sort them. Ten cans (I use coffee cans) marked zero through 9. Toss the coins into the cans by last digit only. When completed, sort each can into decades, and you're done. Each decade pile will be a single year. I store mine in gallo freezer bags until full, then I check through them and dump the discards into one of two cans - one for copper, one for zinc. Any nice BU coins that come out of the sort go into tubes where I build complete BU rolls by date and mint for later use. Those rolls I either sell or build into sets.
As for the photo requested, I will try to do that later in the week, but you first need to know that the method I use for attaching the camera to the scope works for the camera I have...it may easily not work this way for your camera or any other camera out there.
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Good Morning folks! This is getting interesting, (I hope) and for me, fun, and educational. Before I befin my explanation of the "how, and why". let me say this: I am legally blind. I have no focal point, so I can't see what Chuck sees. My vision, at best, with anything the DR's can do will be less than 20/200. So I'm not allowed to drive. Now to the subject at hand. I use a 10X loupe just to see the date & MM. TMy method, as with Chuck is used when the amounts are box, or boxes. bags in my area are un-heard of. I begin by setting the sorting boxes close at hand, and open rolls. The date and MM determine in which tube the coin goes. 0-9, left to right, "P", "D", "S" front to back. As the tubes are filled, they are replaced with empty ones, and marked. For storage and checking, the tubes are checked, and in h the case of the '82's, seven tubes are used, and marked. Each variety is kept in it's own tube, as marked. This applies to all varieties, other than RPM's obviously. If someone finds a new variety in the '82 zinc, large date, then those tubes are checked, not the entire bunch of '82's. The tubes are kept in the box, (of 100 tubes) they came in, and in date, and MM order. These are the ones kept close at hand for checking. The tubes that are filled after checking then are rolled, and stored in coin boxes by decades. The varieties are then placed in flips, which I keep in boxes I made for that purpose. Each box holds about 150 flips, and are easily srtacked, and, in my case, stored in a large cabinet safe, which is key-locked. Chuck, and others will return the checked, and not wanted, or junk coins, to the bank. I am a "pack-rat", and don't return any except the junk, culls, and those that are un-readable, except copper, which is kept in a can for melt, (if it ever is allowed). One never knows when someone may find something new, or a minor variety becomes more sought after, then the bulk storage comes in handy. The camera set-up is essentially the same aas Chuck uses, but in my case the camera does not have the resolution his does, and my pictures show it, as well as my lack of experience). I have just purchased a Canon A690 Powershot, with 8MP, and 4X optical zoom. All I have to do is figure out what all the buttons, and wheels are for! I am in the process of using some of the different pictoral info that has been posted by the various members, and when I get somethng good, I'll post a picture, with notes. There are members who have a visual problem of one sort, or another, and for those, I say, there is always a way to enjoy our hobby. It just takes a few adjustments, and a lot of help from the members, who are so generous in the giving. My thanks to all for the help you have given me. If anyone has questions, ask, and I'll try to make "cents", when I asnwer.  Dick
Edited by livingdinasaur 12/09/2008 3:54 pm
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Thx for the great input, Chuck. I will print this out as soon as I get home and try to implement many of your ideas.
Does your neck get sore looking thru the scope for long periods of time, mine does. Have you found a remedy for this?
Jim
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Does your neck get sore looking thru the scope for long periods of time, mine does. Have you found a remedy for this?
Yeah. Take a break. Nothing else helps.
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