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Australian And New Zealand Coins, How Far Back Can We Go - First Edition

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Its acid free cardboard, that I was assured of and its only common circulation stuff. All my nice coins are in mylar flips and capsules.
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Quote:

Its acid free cardboard, that I was assured of and its only common circulation stuff. All my nice coins are in mylar flips and capsules.

Phew.. I can sleep well tonight now.
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 Posted 12/17/2020  10:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Princetane to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
David, all the Americans use those cardboard Dansco things for their pennies and nickels etc anyway.

Anyway Australia 2004. Plenty of coins issued in that year, just I don't have many of them


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$1, $2 and 50 cents were issued that year and also some commem ones, but yet I have none at this stage, the $2 had a lower than usual mintage.

One nice thing here is the large head and small head 20 cents. The laser technology was being tried for die showing and the head was reporduced too large on the 20c and some set 50 cent coins. The small head coin is the usual one, but the large head is scarce - possibly 400k out of 71.6 million coins!

Big thanks to David Graham for providing me with this rarity!

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 Posted 12/18/2020  03:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Princetane to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
2003 was a fairly big year for both countries, In New Zealand all of the circulation coins sans the 20 cents were issued and in generous numbers.

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Again the 50 cents is absent, not because of any scarcity I just don't have one. 90% of accumulations have very few 50 cent coins given their high face value compared to other coins and most of the time its a 1967 or 1982 dated coin (These are the 2 commonest dates found, and 1987, 80 and 81 are usually common too).

Here the 5 cents is very nice - practically uncirculated and the 5 cent was the only coin issued continuously since 1994!
The 10 cents is decent too and was issued every year 2000 to 2004.

The $1 and $2 are worn down to VF/gVF as they have been in circulation for 17 plus years and their low mintage numbers (4 and 6 million) mean that they are often lost in the pile of later coins and 1990 dated ones.
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 Posted 12/18/2020  04:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Princetane to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have a pretty good mix of 2003 dated Australian coins. A lot of commems that year! The 2000s saw an explosion of commem coins that circulated with standard design coins.

In 2003 we had a series celebrating Volunteers, just 2 years after the same thing was celebrated in the mega year of 2001 (Australia's Commonwealth centennial).


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Here the volunteers occupy the 20c and 50c coins. No normal $1 coins had been issued since 2000 (This one is for suffrage) and there was no normal design 50 cent coins, just this and the Coronation 50th anniversary.


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Detail of those coins, it is amazing how many faces they squeeze on to that 20 cent coin (And detailed, not like that stick figure thing that came years later).

The designs are pleasing too, Australia still got full suffrage 10 years after us

the $2 coin had a lowish mintage of just 13 million that year too.

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Reverses of the coins, just 4 more years of this, then we are subjected to Maklouf for 14 years and then Machin (Be still my beating heart)
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I haven't got many nice pics of file for 2003 NZ coins.

This is the 10c reverse.
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and the 5c obverse.
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For Aus.

Volunteers 50c
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Korean War $1 (NCLT)
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Suffrage $1. There are some varieties of this coin. Long and short prongs on the trident.
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Steve :)
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Princetane will hate this - Gollum 50 cents from the 2003 New Zealand 'Lord of the Rings' 50c set:
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 Posted 12/18/2020  07:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add squaremealroundplate to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Princetane

Yes, the 2004 Large Head Pointy " A's " 20c and 50c have both always been hard to come by. The very few LHP "A's " 20c I got in circulation years ago were all knackered.

All the 67,795 2004 Mint Sets have the LHP "A's" 20c but only about 30,000, or less, have the LHP " A's " 50c making this an extremely low mintage 50c.

I very much doubt if anyone has ever found a 2004 LHP " A's" 50c in circulation.


Interestingly, there are also two types of 50c in the 2004 Proof Sets := the Pointy " A " and the usual Flat "A 's ". The Flat " A's " have a smaller mintage than the Pointy " A's" ones.

I don't know how accurate the RAM's claim is that there were 50,000 Proof sets minted in 2004, but I'd say with reasonable certainty that in the 2004 Proof sets there would be less than 20,000 Flat " A's " Proof 50c based on that figure.

Keep you great informative posts coming.
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Thanks, I am learning so much more of you guys as well. I am reliant on Numista and a 2009 McDonalad catalogue for everything, so what you wrote Squaremealroundplate increased my knowledge.

Australian coins are so fascinating and like all coins, the more I learn, the more I want to know (And get more coins too).

NumisRob, not annoyed at coin at all (Although Gollum was scary - I remember Roger (American Dad) imitation - the precious, the precious and then "First of say it, don't spray it".

It was the marketing I had issues with, these coins were sold at a MASSIVE mark up to cash in on the LOTR movie and yes it enriched NZ, but many film extras were exploited and stamp/coin dealers gouged the market. I worked for a stamp dealer who told me to treble prices for LOTR stamps whenever an American cruise ship came in (He's dead now) and that greed has always put me off.

I am assuming your coin was either 1 of 6 in the "Scenes in silver series" or one of 24 in the characters set (Gollum was very much part of Return of the King). We visited the Weta workshops - but that is as far as my interest goes.

Anyway keep that coin, as it will probably go up more in value (The set of 24 costs $3250).
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 Posted 12/19/2020  02:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add triggersmob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
2002 already.

NZ $1
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In Australia, we had an outback theme this year.

50c
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$1
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Big day coming up tomorrow.

Steve :)
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I agree, I have most of the special 20 cent coins, but not much else.

Now 2002 - New Zealand, all of the coins were issued for circulation. However I made a mistake and took the $1 picture with the 2001 set, so you will see it tomorrow


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Tails of the 2002 coins

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Heads of the coins.

Of all these coins, only the $1 and $2 still circulates. It's my first year to show all the obselete coins together.

The 5c to 50c are all basically AU to UNC and look nice, all have lustre as they circulated only 4 years at most. The numbers minted were fairly low (10 million of 5c and 10c) and 7 million 20 cent coins (1st mintage since 1990!) and 3 million 50 cents.

The mintage of $1 and $2 was also generous.

Overall, 2002 was the best year for circulation coins since 1988 for our coinage, every year since then had one or more coins not present and some years like 1992, 1993 had nothing issued for circulation!

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Australia for 2002 was a good year too, although a bit of a cool daown from the mega year of 2001 as it was Centenary year and the biggest celebration year since the Bicentenary of White Settlement in 1988.

For 02, I also have one of those outback dollars - mine has a weird browner bronze feel, but is UNC as its from that collection I bought online 2 weeks ago!


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To my Outback dollar, I have added a nice set of 5c to 20c and a $2 coin as well.

There was also a set of stamps issued around the year of the Outback.
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2002 Australian Outback 50 cents and standard 20 cents:
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2001.
So we can't go past the state and territory sets from Australia that year. I prefer the 20c designs over the 50c coins.


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Nice, I think that's all of them. I have 7 of them and just 1 of the 50c and the $1. But first NZ in 2001. Today's shot shows the 2002 dollar coin by mistake.

There was in fact a $2 coin issued in 2001, but not a $1 coin.


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Tails showing the 2002 $1 coin

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Heads, sadly I did the cross outs before I realised I had not put that dollar coin in the 2002 pile.

2001 was an interesting year with the first 50 cent coin issued for circulation since 1988 being released (A 13 year gap is the record for any NZ denomination - the 20c is 12 years and 8 for Halfcrowns and Florins).

Yesterday you saw the 2002 20 cent coin, now you will not see any more circulation 20c or 50c coins until we reach 1990! and 1988!

Again the silver coins have almost no wear, but the gold is nearly worn flat after almost 20 years of continual use.

You may also notice the year 2001 has quite round figures different from the more serifed ones you see in similar years. By now, all of the circulation coins were being made at The Royal Mint in Wales, occasionally another Royal Mint in new south WALES would help out

PS Americans - I know you are wondering where the 9/11 references are, as tragic as it was, 9/11 did not mean as much to us as it did to you (I still remember saturation coverage of it TV for days).
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