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Turkish Or Egyptian Kurush, Cannot Make The Denomination

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Something found in my late grandma's stuff. I narrowed it down to being either Turkish or Egyptian Kurush, late XIX - early XX century. But I cannot find the denomination, which on all coins I googled up is in the middle, which is empty here. Any ideas?

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 Posted 12/18/2020  08:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add That Coin Dude to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's Denomination is dependant on the diameter, and the date in arabic is 1255 (1839 in our years). Can you please provide a diameter?
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Thanks, I had no idea it was that old. The diameter is about 27 mm.
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10 Para Ottoman Empire
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces242486.html
The denomination is supposed to be in the center of the wreath, but it is apparently worn out.
EDIT: Also, the regnal year would be right in the spot that took a hit beneath the Tughra. So, no way to tell what year exactly.
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Thanks a lot, that's exactly it!
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I am going with regnal year 20.

I think the small diamond-shaped 0 is visible between the damage and the inscription.
(Could also just be my eyes playing tricks on me)
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Regnal year 20 - making it 1859?
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And for the record, it's "Turkish" rather than "Egyptian" - the mint name is "Qustantiniyah" (Constantinople, now called Istambul).

As for the date: calculating Ottoman-era coin dates requires some maths. First, work out the actual date of issue, according tot he AH calendar: "1255 Year 20" is 1255 + 20 - 1 = 1274 (you have to add the "minus 1" because 1255 was considered Year 1, not Year 0). Now, we convert 1274 to an AD date: AH 1274 began on 22nd August 1857 and ended 10th August 1858. It could have been struck any time between those two dates. Calling it "1858" is statistically more likely to be right than wrong. "1857-8" might be more technically correct.
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 Posted 12/22/2020  06:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SamVimes to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That's very illuminating, thanks.
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