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Alternative To PCGS Photograde?

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I am not a fan of PCGS Photograde as their photos are all over the place with respect to toning and dates, not to mention that sometimes a higher graded coin shows more wear on the devices (in part) than the lower graded coin overall. That confuses me.
Perhaps there is a good book that shows monochrome (or color, but not toning), high quality photos of all 19th century coins? I also don't necessarily need small steps like VF30 to VF35. It could move in steps of 10 at the lower end.
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Photograde by James F Ruddy has been produced for a number of years. I used to use the 1970s print of it. It had black and white scans that showed AG --> AU. It's on the 19th edition now, a 2005 publishing

The issue is that if you're hoping to distinguish low MS from high MS using the book or low MS from high AU, it just doesn't offer that
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What a timely question. I was checking out a 20 cent piece for my type set yesterday, and my local dealer and I were both using PCGS Photograde. I was really struggling with that particular coin and the set of photos on Photograde. I find Photograde helpful, but I feel like I need a written description available at the same time to direct my attention to the right areas on the coin for grading and for any special notes about grading standards. Right now, I use a paper copy of "Grading Coins by Photographs" a lot along with Photograde because the former has the written description of the grades, although there seemed to be a cut-and-paste typo in the text for the 20 cent piece.

If there is a better source,, I hope some of the other more experienced members chime in to answer your question.
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How about the photo book by Bowers? Any opinion on that?
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Could the PCGS App COIN FACTS be of assistance? I find their photo grade sections to be quite helpful or is that what you were referring to disliking?
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I suggest you have a look at Making the Grade, published by CoinWorld/Amos Advantage. It might just do the trick for you.

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Could the PCGS App COIN FACTS be of assistance? I find their photo grade sections to be quite helpful or is that what you were referring to disliking?


I agree with this as well, the app does help quite a bit.
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Photograde by James F Ruddy has been produced for a number of years. I used to use the 1970s print of it. It had black and white scans that showed AG --> AU. It's on the 19th edition now, a 2005 publishing

That's the book I learned from. Personally I prefer the original 1970 edition, I don't think the photos reproduced as well in the later editions. You do need to be aware though that the standards have changed some since then and many coins graded by the original Photograde standards will now grade higher under current standards.
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If you agree with Photograde, you also agree with the fact that toning (unsightly or beautiful), has no bearing whatsoever on the grade.

I agree.

Nevertheless, I know that toning is just a very mild form of corrosion, and philosophically, should reduce the grade.
In fact, verdigris can severely reduce the grade.
That toning has an influence on the value is a different question.


Different type coins have different wear patterns.
That is why each type has it's own grading scale.
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