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Valued Member
Canada
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Has anyone heard whether or not a $200 Gold 'Early Canadian History" Coin is in the works? I have the last 3, but the series didn't really seem finished.
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CCF Master Historian of USA Commemoratives
 United States
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@rjlavoie: Glad to hear things are back in place for you!
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Canada
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Quote:I was RCM MC PP and this year dropped down a couple levels. I did receive regular emails from my rep, but now they are almost non-existent. It was that all my ordering went through the rep, but if I don't get emails then I'm just going to order on the RCM web site Perhaps siding down the MC tiers made you lose your rep. According to the new MC program, only those with Prestige ($4500) and above get a rep. Don't know how it exactly works because I am only Platinum but still have my rep.
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CCF Master Historian of USA Commemoratives
 United States
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If I was a "Royals" collector, I believe I would be strongly tempted by the new two-coin / Canada-UK set commemorating Queen Elizabeth II's 95th birthday. I think the Canadian coin has a clean, interesting and well-executed design on each of its sides, and the commemorative reverse of the UK coin is also well-executed. On the downside, the set is a bit pricey at $250, but I wonder how much of that is due to the UK coin - The Royal Mint is never bashful with their prices!
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Edited by commems 04/06/2021 11:54 am
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Its public release day for RCM coins today and most of the coins can be found in the various coin outlets EXCEPT for the Multilayer coin which is sold out everywhere at issue price except for Gatewest Coins. CC&C is selling it for $699.99 (funny it was listed as out of stock for the whole week and only today it is available at a significant markup).
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  Canada
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Quote: If I was a "Royals" collector, I believe I would be strongly tempted by the new two-coin / Canada-UK set commemorating Queen Elizabeth II's 95th birthday. I am not as charged by the designs... I see them as derivative... the UK coin reminds me closely of the 1972 Silver wedding anniversary crown... I know it is different but from a casual glance the earlier coin jumped out at me. Similarly with the Canadian reverse... it is clearly inspired by the 1953 coronation crown issued by the UK. I do agree 100% that this is a $190 set masquerading as a $250 set. at $190 it is priced similarly to other "2 oz" unadorned RCM issues. Of interest, the same set is available on The Royal Mint site for 200GBP ($350 CAD at today's exchange rates) Both mints say that this set has a mintage of 6,500 worldwide but the UK Mint states that they are limiting to 2,000... presumably 4,500 are available through the RCM. The UK coin is odd though... 1) The Face Value Denomination is 2GBP. Most UK Crowns are 5GBP. This has the same size as a crown.. 38.6mm but is 1 oz of 99.99% Silver 2) The Royal Mint is issuing a 5GBP crown with identical design (except for face value) and the fact that it is only 28g of Sterling (.925) silver for 90 GBP 3) The RCM site says that this set is the only way these coins will be released and that is consistent with The Royal Mint given their other "crown" is 5GBP and lesser in intrinsic value. 4) The Royal Mint is also issuing the 5GBP crown in the usual set of variants from base metal to Silver Piedfort and 22K gold. There are also Gold ounce(s) available. One interesting variant release is a base metal crown in a presentation pack but includes circulation (worn) coins (Farthing through half crown) from 1926... I like it but at 160GBP. As you say @commems... the UK mint is far from bashful in their pricing. 5) There is a different reverse design in the UK that is being used for larger weight coins (Gold & Silver).
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Valued Member
Canada
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That price of £200 included their 20% VAT. Thank goodness we don't have that. With the VAT removed, it shows in my cart at £166.67 plus £12.50 for shipping (about $290 CAD plus about $22 CAD for shipping). Still a good amount more than the $250 RCM wants. That's a lot of variations of the design.
Edited by rjlavoie 04/06/2021 9:02 pm
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CCF Master Historian of USA Commemoratives
 United States
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Quote: I am not as charged by the designs... I see them as derivative... the UK coin reminds me closely of the 1972 Silver wedding anniversary crown... I know it is different but from a casual glance the earlier coin jumped out at me. Similarly with the Canadian reverse... it is clearly inspired by the 1953 coronation crown issued by the UK. Interesting perspective on the coins in the Royal Celebration Set. I don't agree, but that's OK! There's no denying that the design on the reverse of the 2021 UK coin does recall certain visual elements of the 1972 Crown, but there are enough differences to make the new design fresh to my eyes. After all, if there's one mint that loves to rehash old coin designs, it's the RCM, so I can't fault another mint for effectively updating a design from almost 50 years ago. As for the reverse of Canada's coin, while the new coin is clearly inspired by the UK's 1953 Coronation Crown, I don't see it as the same design. I see the new design as being much cleaner than the one on the 1953 coin - fewer inscriptions will do that! Also, fewer inscriptions and no "EIIR" cyphers enabled a larger primary figure to be presented on the coin. I think the horse is better detailed on the new coin, as is the depiction of QEII. Overall, I find the 2021 coin to be an attractive and successful update to the UK coin of nearly 70 years ago. If I had to pick between the two designs, I would pick the 2021 version.
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CCF Master Historian of USA Commemoratives
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Quote: The Face Value Denomination is 2GBP. Most UK Crowns are 5GBP. This has the same size as a crown.. 38.6mm but is 1 oz of 99.99% Silver The Royal Mint did the same thing for the two-piece set it created with the US Mint for the 400th anniversary of the Mayflower. The QEII 95th birthday coin has the same denomination, diameter, weight and fineness as the Mayflower coin. A special set of specs for a special commemorative set.
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Quote:The Royal Mint did the same thing for the two-piece set it created with the US Mint for the 400th anniversary of the Mayflower. Thanks for this... I have not followed The Royal Mint as closely as the RCM in the past few years... While I am known to complain about the quantity and pricing of RCM issues, The Royal Mint has taken this to a new level and I have truly checked out... Many of their "crown" issues are released in "Base" metal, Silver, Silver Piedfort, and Gold. There are occasionally bullion equivalents also released. Additionally, they aren't really NCLT as the "LT" is dropped within a year or so in that you cannot use one of these in daily retail transactions. Try to use a cupro-nickel crown in a grocery store for 5GBP value. I do maintain my collection of pre-decimal circulating sovereigns, crowns, double florins, and proof sets... my post decimal UK collection is much more limited and focused on personal key dates (family birthdays) and the odd opportunistic find. A bit of a shame as it was a gift from my grandfather that got me into coin collecting so many years ago when I still lived in the UK... (he gave me an UNC Sovereign from my birth year when I was 5). I so want to collect UK but find it exhausting, repetitive and financially ruinous...
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CCF Master Historian of USA Commemoratives
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Quote: Thanks for this... Happy to help! Quote: The Royal Mint has taken this to a new level and I have truly checked out... Many of their "crown" issues are released in "Base" metal, Silver, Silver Piedfort, and Gold. Maybe you can re-ignite your interest if you just picked one of the versions to focus on - maybe the standard silver version (vs. trying to collect the silver piedfort, gold and base metal versions). OR If you just want to keep your toe "dipped" in the RM's crown releases, you could always opt for the base metal versions - all the design at a greatly reduced cost!
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CCF Master Historian of USA Commemoratives
 United States
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It appears as if April was a fairly good month for the RCM and its releases - lots of "Sold Out" labels on the New Releases page. I realize that this doesn't necessarily mean a given coin isn't available from dealers, but it still means something about the level of general interest when coins sell out at the Mint.
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  Canada
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@commems... Your post prompted me to check it out and only the 95th birthday of QEII pairing with The Royal Mint and the regular issue Wrapped 50C are remaining from the April Release. One thing though that I wish the RCM would do is to better announce what is coming... Both the US and French mints announce their yearly program well in advance and you can come back to order on "release Day" or I believe you can pre-order on the US Site... I never really understood their ordering system... Given the cost of some of the releases these days, it is easier to manage to a budget rather than seeing a desirable coin and having to find the cash to buy in what will be a fairly short availability before sell out. For example... to the best of my knowledge the $200 1/2oz gold annual release has yet to be issued... I have no idea what month this will drop or if... like the $100 1/4oz coin will be changed in form factor or even if it will continue. Most sales organizations like to build hype in advance of a release... with the RCM they are all about secrecy before the big bang monthly release.
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CCF Master Historian of USA Commemoratives
 United States
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Quote:One thing though that I wish the RCM would do is to better announce what is coming... I completely agree! I've thought the same for years. It would be great to know what is coming and when. Most world mints don't offer such transparency, however, so the RCM is not alone. If the Mint found that their current release strategy was negatively impacting sales, it would likely change it. Apparently, the Mint believes things are working fine.
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I'm still waiting for the Multilayered Cougar coin purchased back on April 5th. Order is now estimated to arrive Jul-14-2021. 3 1/2 months later and probably not a guaranteed date. RCM must be having issues producing this coin.
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