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1893 Columbian Half Dollar Commemorative And NGC Vs. PCGS PL Grading

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My main focus is U.S. Type Coins, but one side interest is completing a full set of gold and silver classic commemoratives. I've managed to acquire a few proof-like examples, of which this 1893 Columbian is probably my favorite. What I find very interesting is the huge difference in the pop report between PCGS and NGC on proof-like Columbians; PCGS lists 8 1892 and zero 1893 PL examples, while NGC lists over 400 1892 and 230 1893 PL examples, and PCGS has graded far more Columbians overall than has NGC. I assume there is a less-strict criteria at NGC as to what constitutes PL?
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Can't answer your question, but you have a beautiful example for sure!



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That's a good question. Don't know about this series but NGC started PL designations on some series before PCGS did, so could just be catch up.
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Can't answer your question, but you have a beautiful example for sure!

Thanks, Coinfrog! I was looking for a MS65 example, but when I saw this one I didn't hesitate on getting it. And I actually saved some money compared to what I'd have paid for a MS65...
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Don't know about this series but NGC started PL designations on some series before PCGS did, so could just be catch up.

Thanks, jimbucks, I didn't realize that. That would actually make more sense than a stark difference in grading criteria; I'll have to look further into that.
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@hokie, piggybacking off Jim, as I recall it was only last year (maybe 2019) when PCGS started adding PL to non silver dollars, since then a handful have gained the PL tag, but seemingly they are much stricter in giving it out in general than NGC.
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I recall it was only last year (maybe 2019) when PCGS started adding PL to non silver dollars,

Thanks for the information!
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Found the article I thought of, apparently it was 2019.

https://www.PCGS.com/news/PCGS-anno...ut-prooflike
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Found the article I thought of, apparently it was 2019.

As the NGC holder from this coin was used from roughly around '89 to the early '90's, NGC was evidently using PL designations for non silver dollars from their earliest days. 30+ years vs. just 2 years, so that clearly explains the differences in the pop reports. Thanks again!
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Probably PL, but the coin has developed a strong patina, to the extent that it has obscured the appearance of what the PL-like fields may have appeared to be.
I can understand why there is a huge difference between the PCGS and NGC pop reports, with a variable patina across a range of similar PL and non PL coins.

A few obvious dings on the portrait and a few light but obvious scuffs on the patina-ed fields.

MS62or3, PL or not PL, depending on how a probable buyer would see it.

In this case, pictures of the coin in slab don't help, so perhaps a TPGrader would see it higher, being hand held in the raw, at 10X under ideal lighting conditions.
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Sorry for my delay in posting here, I thought I had already done so!

Very nice coin hokiefan_82! Congrats! Proof-like classic commemorative coins are a true delicacy within the series and should always be appreciated!

I agree with what others have already posted, a big difference in the Pop numbers can be attributed to how long each service has been using the "Proof-like" designation.

Best of luck with your continued collecting!


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@hokiefan_82: If you're interested, I previously posted my MS-65 PL Roanoke Colony Memorial half dollar here on CCF; the post includes background information on proof-like US commemorative coins. You can see it here: 1937 Roanoke - MS-65 Proof-like.

Note: The post is from 2018, so the PCGS information I presented is now out-of-date as PCGS currently uses a "PL" designation. Also, the NGC Pop Report figures I presented have likely increased.


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