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What Do You Think About This Probus?

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 Posted 06/01/2021  6:33 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add just_me_paddy to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello collectors!
What do you think about genuity of this coin? Condition is not the best, and exergue is blured. For me it's a genuine one which is worthy to join to collection - but still not the best!


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 Posted 06/01/2021  6:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
, a Probus that is worthy to include in your collection.
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 Posted 06/01/2021  6:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A nice addition to a collection.
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 Posted 06/01/2021  7:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add maridvnvm to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It is nicer than my example though I don't really focus on these early Rome mint issues. Mine has too much flatness in the strike.

Yours is a very nice example of the type.

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 Posted 06/01/2021  7:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just_me_paddy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you Martin! Was it worthy to pay 30euros? probvs.fr shows that it's common piece, but I haven't seen many examples of that issue from Rome mint.
BTW: Your piece is stunning!
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 Posted 06/01/2021  9:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Novicius to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'd be very happy to have this coin in my collection, just_me_paddy. It is well worth the €30 I'd say.
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 Posted 06/02/2021  04:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add maridvnvm to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The first issue of Rome is not rare but I feel it is slightly scarcer than some of the subsequent emissions from Rome. I think that emission 2 is the scarcest but even that is not particularly scarce. This first issue was produced before the changed to marking the mint with the letter R in the exe. This led these coins to be mis-attributed to Siscia in RIC but were later re-attributed to Rome by Pink.

I find them quite interesting and have gathered a few over the years. Here is a small selection of generally more common varieties.

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 Posted 06/03/2021  08:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just_me_paddy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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There is quite rare variant of this reverse from Siscia. Condition is not the best, but coin is still interesting piece of metal! As you said, RIC missatributes that emission from Rome to this emission from Siscia.

By the way. There is S, Q or Epsilon in exergue? XXIQ is known in few pieces, but it's not look like Q for me.

Your small collection is awesome, and very interesting. Of course, I know that your main topic is Lugdunum mint ;) I hope I will gather collection on your level in the future.
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That is a very interesting example from Siscia. As far as the exe is concerned I suspect that it is a Q even though it looks somewhat like an S. I do not think it is an S for the following reasons.

The remainder of the exe would be in proportion to a Q but the potential S would seem to be much larger for no reason. The bottom of the potential S seems to merge with the border of the coin. I think that there has been some breakage in the die as shown below where I have highlighted the Q in yellow and the potential break in red.

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 Posted 06/04/2021  1:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just_me_paddy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
S seemed to me also over-normative, but probably I wanted to see S there ;)
And threre is my cheap and corroded very common piece from Lugdunum. I saw your piece without dots in titulature, but I think dots are present here.


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 Posted 06/04/2021  3:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add maridvnvm to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am not sure that there is any significance to the dots but I try to get them with and without....


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 Posted 06/04/2021  5:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just_me_paddy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So we can't be wrong both, innit? ;)
If you say it's a variant without dots I have this coin:
https://www.probuscoins.fr/coin?id=2830
Mr. Oliva gives is R. So it's a nice acqusition. Honestly, I haven't seen other examples than this one (in database). The same is on your site.

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 Posted 06/05/2021  08:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add maridvnvm to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The coin in the link is also mine.....

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 Posted 06/05/2021  10:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just_me_paddy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I know ;) You are one of the nost famous Probvs collector on the world.
That's why I wrote that I saw two times only one example (yours). I haven't seen other examples than yours and mine.
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BTW:Have you seen Probus' coins on latest KATZ auction? ;) Only 1 is genuine. The rest are well-known casted fakes. Of course I informed them already...
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 Posted 06/05/2021  10:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add maridvnvm to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I informed them too. They also have a whole host of other coins that are made from entirely modern dies.
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