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 Posted 06/02/2021  08:56 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Ruger9a to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I cannot seem to identify the reverse of this coin, can anyone help? The coin is 10x12mm and weighs 0.9 grams.
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 Posted 06/02/2021  10:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kamnaskires to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That'll be a challenging one. Wish I had time to poke around, but am heading to work. First thought, though probably wrong, is perhaps a very crude Zeus/forepart of Pegasus, as from Iolla. Similar to:
http://www.coinproject.com/siteimag...81626q00.jpg
https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=7214601

Although the Λ (that may be visible at the top of the reverse of yours) works for the ΙΟΛΛΑ of these issues, it's a stretch. I'm not confident. Probably different reverse imagery altogether. No time to devote to it now, sadly. Maybe tonight.
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 Posted 06/02/2021  10:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ruger9a to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks @Bob L. I'll wait until you get out of work. I thought it was a rooster with a bird on it's back.....haha.
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Ruger, to continue where I had to leave off this morn...This is just speculation, so take it with a grain of salt. I suppose my first inclination - that is, the forepart of Pegasus, right - is likely correct. At least it's my working theory till someone kicks in with something more definitive. The corrosion, wear, and maybe a minting error or weak strike make it a little difficult to see:

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I would guess it's from Mysia, with a Zeus obverse. This iconography was common, and emissions with it ranged from very small (less than a gram) to, apparently, almost five grams, with measurements from around 10 mm to 17 mm, based on what I've seen.

Which Mysia mint is difficult to determine, at least for me. I think that Adramytion/Adramytteion and Iolla are distinct possibilities, although Lampsakos might be a contender. All used the Zeus/Pegasus forepart iconography. It seems to me that, on your coin, an A or Λ may appear to the left of the wing (assuming that's indeed a wing!). Some of the issues of Adramytion/Adramytteion have an A in that spot, apparently sometimes rendered more as a Λ. It's part of ΑΔΡΑ. On the other hand, some of the Iolla coins have a Λ in that general area, part of IOΛΛEΩN.

Here are a bunch of various Mysia issues of different sizes, from several different cities, just for comparison of the imagery. The OP coin is top center.

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 Posted 06/02/2021  7:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add louisvillekyshop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Bob;

Pegasus almost having a bad day as a Griffin. But I can't find a griffin with that obverse so you are correct of course.
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 Posted 06/02/2021  7:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ruger9a to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
WOW!!!! Thank you @Bob L for all the time and research you put into resolving my identification issue with this coin. I believe you've nailed it again. I'm thinking the far right (3rd row) is as close as I'm going to get as an exact match. Thanks again.
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...almost having a bad day as a Griffin


Exactly, Joe. Thus my comment about the wear, corrosion, or possible minting error - as in clogged die, perhaps. I think that part of the muzzle of the horse may be weakly struck or worn or MIA. Same for part of the top of the wing. It comes down to how you read the profile. The coin's condition doesn't make it easy, so requires a bit of creative imagination. As you say, a griffin wouldn't work in terms of the Zeus combo. By default, then, Pegasus.

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