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1856 Flying Eagle Cent Diagnostics

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After reading where a collector thought they found a yet undocumented 1857/6 "overdate," I thought I'd post a few useful diagnostics on how to distinguish a genuine 1856 FE from manipulated or damaged coins. I have seen manipulated coins that copied the date well, yet the forger does not attempt to create these details. Every obverse die made for 1856 will show these details (including the 1857 "type of 1856"--but this is not an overdate). Below I have compared an 1856 FE to the large letters type used from 1857-58. Of course by now, somebody may have tooled a die that captures all these details, and one should naturally only buy a authenticated 1856.


1. For 1856, the inner shape of the O within "OF" is rectangular, particularly in the upper edge.
Compare this to the more oval shape post-1856. Because this shape varies slightly between strikes, it must be confirmed by:
2. On 1856 FE cents, the middle serif of F in OF has an exaggerated lower point with concavity on the outer edge of the flare.
The normal 1857 has a straight outer edge with a less pronounced lower serif.
3. The lower apex of the M in AMERICA for 1856 is thin with a bulbous end; the normal 1857 M is a point more widely spaced between serifs.

Please add any more diagnostics known to you that are unique to 1856 outside the date.

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Thank you for taking the time to share your knowledge with us.

I really appreciate the boost in my 'expertise'.

I want one of these coins and not one that's thread-bare.

They can be pricey, but I'm patient.
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dont have pick's but you forgot about the 5 in the date details. the top part of the "flag" in the five is differnt between 56 and 58, also the bulb at the end of the 5 is different between the 58 die and 56 die.
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Hi, and yes--that digit is completely different between 1856 and later years
Then again, I once saw an accurately reworked date--so this is how to tell by supporting diagnostics other than the date.
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Repunched 5 on the business strike (S-3)
Centering dot on the reverse of the proof (S-9)
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Thanks guys. I'll keep these posts in case I ever have the wherewithal to purchase an 1856. I sure hope so because I dearly love Flying Eagles.
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1sikevo--agreed, there's all the varieties too!
Not that I'll own an 1856 anytime soon, but I have the 1857 obverse of '56.
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Always brings a smile to my face everytime I see a 56 FE
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KurtS,

not sure if this is one but if you look at the pics posted I clearly see a big difference in the dentacles(sp?) on the rim.
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I think it would be tough to tell that way, since the denticles can look different due to strike issues.
My 1857 obverse of 1856 coin looks slightly different than the coins I pictured above. The rim on the 1856 is covered by the slab.
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