1881 - S Morgan Dollar, You Vs NGC - Page 2

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Ty2020b Pillar of the Community United States 4680 Posts	Posted 08/11/2021 8:25 pm Why not RB (Red Blue)? Report this Post to the Staff
TobyJ Pillar of the Community United Kingdom 1273 Posts	Posted 08/12/2021 1:47 pm It sold for $449, MS66. The reason I posted it is because I was shocked it graded so high. Okay, the reverse looks great and I can see that it has unbroken lustre and no marks so I can give that an MS65 or even MS66 (I'm not a grading expert, just an NGC member). But I've had lots of 1881-S Morgans and the strikes are usually so crisp and clear, and shiny! the obverse strike here looks weak to me with weakness on the hair above the ear. I just can't fathom the lustre because of the toning. I don't like to collect coins like this, and I would have given this about an MS63 net grade so shows what I know. Also, it got a green bean. Other than the toning, is there a reason for this? Edited by TobyJ 08/12/2021 1:48 pm Report this Post to the Staff
Oldfordman Pillar of the Community United States 2869 Posts	Posted 08/12/2021 6:02 pm Maybe we are not seeing past the toning specs at the true surface that may be better even though toning usually hides stuff? Report this Post to the Staff
fenton Pillar of the Community United States 4989 Posts	Posted 08/12/2021 7:26 pm Hmmmm yeah that's a head scratcher. If someone had posted that raw without hinting that it was in a holder and high grade I think we'd have seen some AU-58's. Much nicer in hand, perhaps. Luster probably shows better than in the photo where the obverse looks lifeless and weak for the date. Edited by fenton 08/12/2021 7:27 pm Report this Post to the Staff
fortcollins Pillar of the Community United States 3647 Posts	Posted 08/12/2021 9:22 pm Here's the adjusted picture I was using to grade the obverse. Others likely will see this one differently, and with very good reasons, To me, when the color is stripped away, the image can be enlarged to distinguish between the toning and contact marks. The fields and devices are fairly clean. From a purely technical grading perspective, it's MS-65. A weak strike would be an adjustment to a technical grade, but shouldn't alter the initial assigned grade. Here, the strike is weak, but not out of the realm of a typical strike. IMHO, the strike would not be enough to drop-grade the technical grade. The toning is one of those eye-of-the-beholder adjustments. I think the grader saw the toning as attractive, and nudged the final grade upward. I don't find it particularly attractive. To me, it looks blotchy. Toning will also continue over time, and this coin may not look anything like the pics 15-20 years down the road. Would I pay 65 or 66 money for this one? No. But from a purely technical perspective, the grade is in the ballpark. Just not any ballpark I would want to play in. Chalk this up to another of the zillion examples why slabbing hasn't created the sight-unseen market the TPGs bragged about way back in the day. Report this Post to the Staff
Coinfrog Bedrock of the Community United States 94367 Posts	Posted 08/12/2021 9:36 pm Trying to grade this coin from the OP's pics is essentially a guessing game. No way to evaluate the surfaces. Report this Post to the Staff
JasonKflo Pillar of the Community United States 1694 Posts	Posted 08/12/2021 11:29 pm wow , I am glad I have my old ANACS Holder MS-64 Report this Post to the Staff
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