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 Posted 03/04/2006  1:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add OldDan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you Bobby for the information related to equipment you use in your image making. I understand all of what you say except I can't figure out the purpose of the back lighting. What difference does this make, and how do you obtain the best effect? Source of light directly behind coin, to one side or defused and spread out? I'm not sure I'm even asking the right questions, so kindly fill it is so it makes sense.
Thank you.
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 Posted 03/04/2006  1:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Stujoe to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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Originally posted by bobby131313


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Cameras are more difficult as they have more variables to conquer but, as has been said, I think they are the way to go if you want the best pictures. Those variables, once you conquer them, are what can give you great shots.


That's the cool thing about consistent lighting. I can go from silver to copper to gold, and not change one single setting on the camera. The photos are dead on first time every time.

Wasn't the case before, I had post-it notes stuck everywhere with the settings for different coins.




That brings up a very, very good tip too. When you do get it right, remember what you did! I have had that problem before.

And thanks, Susan. I have been tweaking a bit as time permits. ;)
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 Posted 03/04/2006  2:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Although you can get decent results from a scanner with a little tweaking:

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...there's no way you can make a scanner do this:

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or this:

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 Posted 03/04/2006  4:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobby131313 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

and try scanning a proof and getting this...

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or this...

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 Posted 03/04/2006  5:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RenaL to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Bobby for the info,

I've never managed to take good pics with a camera and all the scans I tried have yielded bad results.
When I need to take a pic of my coins, I take them to a friend of mine, he has a DSLR camera with 8 MP and we try to get nice pics.

He usually works with view images so we both use trial-error model:)
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 Posted 03/04/2006  7:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add djluster to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
thank you bobby once again, I am going to get one of those as soon as I can afford one. Hard to buy that when there is so mainy coins I want. But might have to be wait on my coins.
thought I would post a like where they are avalible to buy for those who don't have a camera shop close by who might want one.
http://store.tabletopstudio-store.com/ilflpa.html
we have all seen bobbys picture and they are great
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 Posted 03/05/2006  09:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ageka to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
On gold coins the only problem I have with my photoscanner is that it does not like coins without contrast like eg it cannot scan a 2005 uncirculated "normal" gold sovereign
Same mouldfinish allover
On the other hand it really sees as good as a 12 X loupe all inperfections
I got this Korean coin I bought on a photograde on a photo to find out the photo had hidden the microscratch



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 Posted 03/05/2006  12:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Stujoe to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have my setting, setup, and lighting where I want them now, I think. So, I have been working on trying to gain clarity, focus and sharpness in my pictures now. Getting leters, dates, etc to come into focus.

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With varying degrees of success

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 Posted 03/05/2006  12:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I found that putting my loupe over the lense of my 3Mp camera helps me get in close on certain details that I was unable to get to show up any other way 9scanner/camera by itself) I always turn the flash off like what was mentioned before and I just use a 60 watt desk lamp for illumination and I find it does pretty good for what I am trying to do. Hope this will help some of the people trying to get into thos minute details that a scanner or digital camera just wont get like you want
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 Posted 03/05/2006  1:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobby131313 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply


Bryan, as long as your camera has a macro setting, you shouldn't need to use the loupe.

Make sure the camera is on the highest setting and the macro is turned on. On a 3 MP camera the highest setting should be somewhere around 1700 x 1300.

Now my camera is a 4.1MP, but I cranked it back to 1600 x 1200, which is actually lower than what you probably have, and took the photo below with no outside help...

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As you can see, I got pretty darn close. Is that doubling on the D? [:p]

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 Posted 03/05/2006  2:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Stujoe to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I had used the loupe trick occasionally with my old 2 mega pixel camera. You can get pretty tight if you have a steady hand.


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Since then I have a QX3 microscope but I don'tuse it much.

Mostly, it is as Bobby said. I can get what I need to see from my camera alone. Just took this a second ago...

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 Posted 03/05/2006  2:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
OK, how about clashes? They're completely escaping me.
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 Posted 03/05/2006  3:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CiScO to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Definitely use a digital camera, (advantages of a digital? you can take many pictures and it doesn't cost you squat). I use the methods mentioned here on the cheap. Since I am not a dealer, and sell rarely. When I do sell I include a pic. I use a 3-4 year old Sony DFC-F55 Cybershot "2.1" mega pixels and it still does a great job. I use the tripod, macro, and the real final trick is to use the "timer" on the camera. Try using the shutter in macro mode and the camera WILL move--trust me. I finally found a real good, cheap light to use which does give pretty accurate colors. I use the blue bulbs from either GE which are called reveals, and I have seen the philips blue bulbs..I use the 60 watter. I'll try and take a pic or 2 and post them--O yea, I also found that doing it at night--whereas the daylight/sun doesn't add its light make great wonderful pics--
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 Posted 03/05/2006  4:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Margaret to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Excellent info here, thanks everyone for the ideas and the great pictures. I'll be trying out some of them, my photo's are never very good and I have a tripod, (*smacking myself in the head*) just never thought of using it for coin pix.
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 Posted 03/05/2006  4:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ętheling to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Cameras are undoubtedly better. However, I have neither the space, money, time nor patience to get a camera, try to master it or set it up. I'm lazy and a scanner is so much easier. Stick it on, slide the brightness/contrast buttons to something appropriate, scan, crop, save, finshed.

But hey I'm not interested in fantastic pictures of my coins as long as the picture is reasonably seeable and can be used to illustrate a point to back up a posting or something then it's alright in my book.
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