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I can get some better pictures, I found these roll hunting today. Got 32 rolls and found about a full roll of 1960-63 along with a 56,57. Most of them are in mid grades many scratched. As well as many other high grade 1968-80. Anyways I'm having trouble telling PL from MS. This a 1965 I will post are both UNC looking and found in the rolls but MS vs PL makes a crazy difference. I can see MS64+ or PL64+ for this one, what do you think? The most confusing thing for me with PL vs MS is MS can have camo and PL can have no camo so I'm really not sure what the difference is. If someone has an way to tell the difference let me know please.   |
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MS can have camo and PL can have no camo Both can have cameos, actually you will find more cameos on P.L. rather than MS coin. |
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There are obvious circulation marks all over the queen and on the fields - AU-55 at best.
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Say you found a MS/PL 66 camo or not, the MS 66 vs PL66 is 100× the value for MS. A very significant difference but I can't tell what MS vs PL is. As roll finds I would say MS or high AU, but how can you tell the difference between PL and non PL. Is there a noticable difference?
Edit:I took the photos in the best way I could to show all marks and wear. I could show a photo where it looks much better lol. It's rare to come across a decent pre 70 nickel with good luster. I could see AU. Most of the marks are not deep or large,just tiny scratches through the luster.
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01/14/2022 4:45 pm
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The abbreviation MS stands for "mint state". Are you trying to differentiate between coins struck for circulation vs those proof-like coins for sets and special issues? For some years, once the special dies for PL coins grew older/used, then they would/could use them for circulating coins. I'm not sure yo are going to find a definition for what you are asking ... unless I'm way off base in my understnadings.
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The abbreviation MS stands for "mint state". Are you trying to differentiate between coins struck for circulation vs those proof-like coins for sets and special issues? That's exactly what I'm trying to figure out. PL and MS coins are struck from the same dies, if there is no definitive way to tell the difference then the idea of PL grading is worthless and just makes a coin worth much less then it should be. If a MS 65 is worth 200$ and the same coin graded Pl is worth 10-20$ yet there is no way to differentiate the two it's a pointless grading attribution. It's like saying it's impossible to have a MS 67 camo because they will get a PL grade. The better shape coins with PL grading just kills the value of a nice coin. Edited by Wrekkdd
01/14/2022 5:47 pm
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I don't collect or do anything with "bright and shiny", but, as far as I know, PL coins are struck from specially prepared dies, but not as highly worked-up as those for "proof" coins. It is also my understanding that once PL dies are used to strike their coins, then they can be used for normal circulating coinage. There has to be a way to tell PL from normal circ dies, but I have no idea what. It could be around the denticles or rims or detail in the legends, as well as the finish/luster of the fields. You mention MS65 and 66 coins and you may not live long enough to find one in any bank roll.
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For 5 cent coins I see high MS 2016-2021 fairly often, I'm sure I could pull one at 66-67. I have a PL66 1964 25 cent and I have seen plenty that look as clear. As for pre 1970 coins it's tough finding them in high grades.
The PL grading is confusing and I have yet to find a definitive answer how to tell the difference. The 1965 I posted is a better grade then this one but hard to tell if any older nice coin I find is PL or MS.
Anyone have a good link describing the difference or anything with visual examples showing the difference?
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You throw 66 &67 around like anyone can find one. I think that you would be hard pressed to find a modern 5 cent for 65 or higher and you'd be paying out the nose for a coin that will never be worth more than the cost to TPG. |
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PL coins only come from PL sets
If someone removes one from a set and puts it into circulation it soon becomes an "impaired" PL coin and is rendered ungradeable.
Odds of finding a gradeable PL coin while roll hunting is virtually 0
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
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01/14/2022 7:16 pm
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I have no interest in TPG personally, I'm more interested in being able to grade my own coins accurately. PL has gotten in the way of basic grading. As for saying 65-67MS I could fairly easily find a modern 5 cent coin is MS65. I can't on the other hand determine a difference between MS65-67 when it comes to modern coins(let alone 67-69. I'm simply trying to grade my own coins for my collection. PL or MS is a vary defining factor for older coins in AU-MS when it comes to value. If any coin I is worth more then face value and could be worth more 20-50 years from now then I save it. Coming across 60-70 year old coins in great shape is rare roll hunting and in AU+ very rare in my experience. Anyways I have only one grade opinion. Low to mid AU, I did want a grade for this coin but also want to know weather or not to lable is PL or non PL. Quote:
PL coins only come from PL sets
If someone removes one from a set and puts it into circulation it soon becomes an "impaired" PL coin and is rendered ungradeable. I have heard of impaired proof but never impaired PL? I still don't know the defining difference from PL and circulation coins. I have found specimen coins in circulation and wouldn't be surprised if a PL non silver coin or even silver ended up in circulation. But everything said what is the defining difference between a PL coin or an UNC coin for older coins? |
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