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1972 P Eisenhower Requesting Type And Grade Opinions

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Two closeups of globe in different lighting.

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Another from the junk pile - I'd like opinions on type and grade
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I am not sure if the islands are lines or worn down, but the overall appearance of the coin tells me it is the former. Also, the shape of Florida looks more like Variety 2. Would love to see one like this with my own eyes. Looks to be a good find!

For reference: http://goccf.com/t/383480#3285038
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Thanks JBuck - I tried...and tried...and tried to get a good pic of the islands but couldn't quite get it to show well enough. I'm sorting through my pile of 72 P's and separated them:

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Front row are the T-1's, back T-3's. the one in this link is the only one that looked significantly different. If I can get a better pic, I'll post it but don't hold your breath.

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let's see if this helps...



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The first full coin reverse photo appears to show the three islands East of Florida which would make it a type 1. The closeups are hard to make out but it still doesn't look the swirled pool I would expect to see on a type 2. Perhaps J Buck knows, I think there is another marker for the type 2 concerning the craters on the moon but I forget what that was. I hope for your sake that it turns out to be a type 2. I have found a type 3 in the wild but not the type 2.
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Front row are the T-1's, back T-3's. the one in this link is the only one that looked significantly different.
That is a great way to help determine its variety. Another thing you may want to do is compare it with one of the 40% silver 1972 coins (if you have one), since that was the intended use of the variety 2 reverse.


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let's see if this helps...
Looks even more like a variety 2 now.
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Perhaps J Buck knows, I think there is another marker for the type 2 concerning the craters on the moon but I forget what that was.
The craters are significant for determining the 1971-D Friendly Eagle Variety, but as far as I know there are no such markers used for the three 1972 varieties.
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Okay, I think I stand corrected. It is an older post, so I have to wonder if something has changed in the evidence or it was just forgotten.

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I just viewed a handful of 1972 Variety 2 Ikes on ebay. They all seem to have the same smooth craters. Looking at the photos here, I see too much detail in the craters compared to those I have viewed. Now I am on the fence because I do not see what I expect to see in the islands for the other two varieties. More opinions are needed!
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After some further research I am inclined to believe your coin is indeed a type 2. One distinguishing factor is the shape of the East Coast with the tip of Florida pointing directly Southward on the type 2. Unlike the type 1 and 3 where the tip of Florida points South East. Interestingly however is that while searching for more information, I stumbled across a site which also mentions a type 6 and 7. Do you know anything about this J. Buck?
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One distinguishing factor is the shape of the East Coast with the tip of Florida pointing directly Southward on the type 2
While I did say "shape of Florida" above, this is more in line with what I was remembering.


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I stumbled across a site which also mentions a type 6 and 7. Do you know anything about this J. Buck?
No, sorry, I do not. It seems they are likely minor varieties with a niche following. But yet again I am ready to be proven wrong!
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J.Buck, do a search for 1972 type 2 Eisenhower dollar. You will scroll down to see a group of images. One image in particular shows the types 1,2,3,6, and 7. From what I am seeing, the type 6 shows the two upper islands as a single long blob with the tip of Florida pointing SE. On the type 7 it shows the tip of Florida pointing directly South just like the type 2 but it also appears to show weak island detail as opposed to the lines on the type 2. Have I thoroughly confused everybody yet? Anyway the OP's coin must be either a type 2 or type 7, the only ones where Florida points directly South.
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That is a lot of information to absorb, and I am grateful for it. I did have issues with sorting some of the other ones in the pile that did not seem to fit the "normal" look of the three most common ones. I just presumed wear was the issue. As for Florida direction, that is why I made sure to keep E PL and U in the closeups to try to get a sense of where it is pointing. Type 7 eh? I'm going to have to take a look at that stuff - thanks again

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Another thing you may want to do is compare it with one of the 40% silver 1972 coins (if you have one), since that was the intended use of the variety 2 reverse.

Just happened to have one laying out...

1972S Silver UNC.
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1972S Silver UNC
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Have I thoroughly confused everybody yet?
Maybe!?

It is interesting to ponder, but I suppose I should keep to the three varieties listed in the RedBook.
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