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So... I have experience with using digital (and non-digital cameras, but I need a small-ish setup for photographing my coins. I am aware of my cameras macro limitations and other functions; now I just need a place with good lighting and clean area.

I was thinking about buying this setup: http://store.tabletopstudio-store.com/cophkit.html but I do not believe it comes with the arm (for attaching the camera). Any thoughts on the arm I can use? Where to buy? Thanks.

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 Posted 01/30/2009  2:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GOLDON to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi phdezra,

I am in the same boat as you, however, I do have a suggestion as to the arm. I am going to try a weighted microscope with cantilever arm It adjusts up down and swings left and right. I collect cameras and microscopes and choose to use the little kodak DX4530 for my learning experience in photographing coins. If I need high quality I may go to a film camera with micro lens.

I also need to know what the basic setup is that produces the best results. Lighting, angles etc.

As for the swing arm microscope base, I see them on ebay listed as just that, microscope base. Bausch Lomb stereo zoom bases are very good as long as it comes with a rack and pinion vertical adjustment. For camera use, you will have to ad an adapter for the mounting.

I will be monitoring your replies to see what has been offered. Good luck, goldon
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 Posted 01/30/2009  4:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add phdezra to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks, Goldon. It'll be interesting to see what the more exp folks recommend as well. :)
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TableTop Studio

I emailed the owner of the site and asked him

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Stephen

does the coin copy stand include the arm?



He replied


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Yes, but it's not so much an arm as it is a bracket which holds the camera.
It works very well for small (point and shoot) type cameras.

Regards,
Stephen




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I figure my Cannon PowerShot S2IS is to heavy for it
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Here is a simple setup I made from items I used in the past. The metal blocks are machinist's 1-2-3 setup blocks. They are bolted together. I bought an inexpensive tripod at Walmart and took the head off and tossed the rest. I believe it took a metric bolt to adapt the tripod head to the block. The flash lights I purchased from WW Grainger. They have a magnetic base and stick really well to the blocks. The orange pad is for pennies. It cost me $50,000.00 so far(one of my kids old T shirts). Just staple to a piece of cardboard. Different colors for different type coins. Height is adjusted by shimming the coin up to fill the view. I use digital macro and the camera is a Canon SD790 1S.

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See if any of these ideas may spark up the light bulb. Hope this helps you out. nlp
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My original setup:

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That's a tripod, a pile of CD's with an old black t-shirt on top, and less than $20 worth of Clearance track lighting from Home Depot. The results? Like this:

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Admittedly, the camera kit (a dSLR with a dedicated 100mm Macro lens) gets a lot of credit for the picture quality, but the point is, you don't have to drop significant money on bespoke "coin imaging" equipment to achieve good results. A couple of cheap gooseneck table lamps and an old t-shirt make an excellent start - your goal is to get the lighting as close to vertical as possible, and work from there.
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 Posted 01/31/2009  10:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add phdezra to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Superdave--great setup.... which dSLR? Canon or Nikon? Both of those have excellent macro lenses that would definitely beat most scrappy point-n-shoots.
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rggoodie - thanks for the added info on the arm. :)
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The camera in that picture is a Canon Rebel XT (8MP), with a Canon 100mm f/2.8 Macro. I also have a "crappy point-and-shoot," a Canon A720IS. Here's an example of what it can do:

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The original image is 1000px in size; the Forum Gallery software downsizes to 800px automatically. Mind you, I had to have the A720 about 100mm from the coin to achieve that size; this would not be appropriate for very lustrous coinage due to the need to keep the lighting closer to vertical over the coin.

Late last year I suffered a divorce-related financial Armageddon, and during that period my beloved Canon rig had to go. However, that corner has been turned, and I've another dSLR rig in the works which will be significantly more capable than the XT was. Watch this space.
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 Posted 02/01/2009  2:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add phdezra to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Superdave - I said "scrappy" not "crappy". :)

I agree that a good point-n-shoot with nice macro functionality is probably adequate for most simple coin photos (barring professional stuff).
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Sorry about that, phdezra. I get combative when anyone even remotely casts aspersions on a Canon product.

Me? Canon fanboi? Never!

I must admit, though, Kurt does pretty well with his Nikon kit, and Learjet achieves superb results with a flashlight and a pinhole cam.
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Superdave - I saw the 8 Skilling piece that Kurt put up in another thread. What is his setup? The coin looked great in the photo.
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and Learjet achieves superb results with a flashlight and a pinhole cam





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What is his setup?


Not sure which body he uses, but this isKurt's macro lens

I myself am an Olympus fan. Strictly for point and shoot. For me, they have been bulletproof, and are pretty good on full auto. I have not checked out their DSLR's yet, but I will be in the market eventually. Nikon and Canon have the optics for sure, and this is where the money is in cameras really. Below is a full auto shot with nothing but a tripod with my Olympus point and shoot. If you click on it, it gets nice and big. Eventually I will work on lighting and such and dial in everything. Just waitng on Dave's tutorial to be complete to see if I can copy the setting over.

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Tights - nice picture of that Morgan. Which Oly are you using?

One general issue I see is that the macro close-ups of coins are *so* good, that they are far better than the naked eye. Typically, when I have been to coin shows, peopel will buy/sell/trade based on naked eye. It is true that some of the more serious buyers will use a loupe for the higher grade, higher priced coins ($50 or more it seems), but on ebay and online, these macro images make an MS-63 coin look "bad" to some buyers. Any thoughts?
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One general issue I see is that the macro close-ups of coins are *so* good, that they are far better than the naked eye. Typically, when I have been to coin shows, peopel will buy/sell/trade based on naked eye. It is true that some of the more serious buyers will use a loupe for the higher grade, higher priced coins ($50 or more it seems), but on ebay and online, these macro images make an MS-63 coin look "bad" to some buyers. Any thoughts?


It is just as important to make allowances for the unyielding accuracy of a high-resolution shot as it is for a poor photo or a scan. As you say, grading involves the trained eye and use of no more than a 5x loupe, and many of us post pics which greatly exceed that resolution. Case in point:

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Would you grade that coin MS65? NGC did. To be completely honest, I reduce the picture size of slabbed coins I sell on ebay, for that specific reason.

Just for the record, I lit that shot with a circular fluorescent lamp completely surrounding the lens. That's why the luster and shadows are funny.
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